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Old Yesterday, 07:53 PM
 
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Michael Vick the wife beaters and felons were reemployed why not CK.

Vick went to jail, paid severely for his mistakes, took responsibility for what he did and made atonements. If Kapernick wants to get up on a podium and apologize for what he has done I'm listening.
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Old Yesterday, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Vick went to jail, paid severely for his mistakes, took responsibility for what he did and made atonements. If Kapernick wants to get up on a podium and apologize for what he has done I'm listening.
Ck’s sin was mild compared to other NFL stars who returned, except the president wasn’t involved. How many quarterbacks that took their team to a Super Bowl and an a conference championship were never invited to a tryout or or offered a deal.
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Old Yesterday, 08:15 PM
 
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Vick went to jail, paid severely for his mistakes, took responsibility for what he did and made atonements. If Kapernick wants to get up on a podium and apologize for what he has done I'm listening.
What has he done? A non-violent protest? Get over your feigned hurt.
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Old Yesterday, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Eastern N.C.
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A backup QB is not good enough to be a no. 2 QB. They need to be good enough to potentially carry the team forward in the future. Kap may be a good backup but not worth a spot that a future no 1 QB might occupy.
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Old Yesterday, 08:58 PM
 
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A backup QB is not good enough to be a no. 2 QB. They need to be good enough to potentially carry the team forward in the future. Kap may be a good backup but not worth a spot that a future no 1 QB might occupy.
Seriously? Most Qb 2's in NFL are basically break glass in case of emergency and are not viewed as potential starters. The only exceptions would be where the start is on the verge of retirement. The economics of the position basically dictate that. A franchise QB is now making more that 25m/year. If you have franchise guy you won;t spend money or draft capital for a #2.

For instance, the Vikings picked up Sean Mannion as the QB2. That's is because they pay Cousins a fortune. Are you saying Mannion has the talent to be a future #1?

Matt Schaub is Matt Ryans backup. How old is Schaub?

Mike Glennon is David Carr's backup. I think Glennon is on his fourth team.
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Old Yesterday, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I’m not normally on board with Trump, but when he’s right, he’s right. If a wife beater can play again, so can he. It’s a sport, so by definition it should be about his gameplay, not any actions he took which merely offended, and did not actually cause injury.
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Old Yesterday, 09:04 PM
 
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Im not normally on board with Trump, but when hes right, hes right. If a wife beater can play again, so can he. Its a sport, so by definition it should be about his gameplay, not any actions he took which merely offended, and did not actually cause injury.
But Trump two years ago say Kaepernick should be fired for kneeling. Still on board?
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Old Today, 08:37 AM
 
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He's a running qb and that limits the teams he'd even match. Denver would not have been it.
That's the other good point missing from all these "he should have a job" goofs.

His only real selling point, at least until 2013, was his ability to run out of a read option set. He is not a good passer, and the 16-4 TD-INT thing from 2016 is one cherry picked stat that attempts to rank QBs along a single metric in order to make a horrible, failed attempt at proving a null hypothesis.

To really prove the null hypothesis - political activism ALONE is why Kaepernick does not have a job - you have to eliminate all variables other than activism, and also, ask if any other activists have a job in the NFL, or have since Kaepernick has not.

To the first part - eliminating all variables other than activism (using the same 2016 as the 16-4 TD-INT stat):
  • DYAR - 55th out of 63
  • DVOA - 47th out of 63
  • QBR - 27th out of 63
  • Effective Yards/Actual Yards ratio - 37th out 63
  • Completion percentage - 43rd out of 63
San Fran team ranks with him at QB in 2016 (32 teams):
  • 3rd down efficiency - 30th
  • Passing yards - 32nd
  • Yards/attempts - 27th
  • Completion % - 29th
  • Sacks taken - 30th (ranked in ascending order of number taken, fewer being better)
  • Net passing yards per game - 32nd
So there are all sorts of relative stats that show Kaepernick clearly at or very near the bottom among all other QBs.

Now to the second question - did any other activists kneel in 2014-2016 and still play?
  • Eric Reid - first to join Kaepernick in kneeling, played 26 games between 2017 and 2018.
  • Kenny Stills - knelt during early period of Kaepernick's protest, continues kneeling and speaking out in defense of Kaepernick and the message, played 31 games between 2017 and 2018.
  • Michael Thomas - knelt every game from Kaeprnick's start through the entire 2017 season, played 36 games between 2017 and 2018.
Thus, there is no valid proof of the null hypothesis that the SOLE reason Kaepernick does not have a job is activism/kneeling. From one side, it can be proven that he has objectively worse statistics at his position than the majority of NFL quarterbacks, and from the other side, it can be proven that other players who have participated in the EXACT SAME activism have all played in the NFL during the time that he has not.

All the SJWs trying to prove anything other than "mediocre 33 year old ex-qb does not have job because he simply isn't good enough to warrant a contract" are simply ignoring logic and all available evidence.
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Old Today, 08:42 AM
 
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Colin Kaepernick knows he is done as an NFL QB. He doesn't want the hassle of playing, and reinforcing he is a poor performer. At this point he enjoys playing the victim, and raking in money form Nike and other sources to be a Soy Boy SJW political activist, and nothing more.
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Old Today, 08:57 AM
 
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That's the other good point missing from all these "he should have a job" goofs.

His only real selling point, at least until 2013, was his ability to run out of a read option set. He is not a good passer, and the 16-4 TD-INT thing from 2016 is one cherry picked stat that attempts to rank QBs along a single metric in order to make a horrible, failed attempt at proving a null hypothesis.

To really prove the null hypothesis - political activism ALONE is why Kaepernick does not have a job - you have to eliminate all variables other than activism, and also, ask if any other activists have a job in the NFL, or have since Kaepernick has not.

To the first part - eliminating all variables other than activism (using the same 2016 as the 16-4 TD-INT stat):
  • DYAR - 55th out of 63
  • DVOA - 47th out of 63
  • QBR - 27th out of 63
  • Effective Yards/Actual Yards ratio - 37th out 63
  • Completion percentage - 43rd out of 63
San Fran team ranks with him at QB in 2016 (32 teams):
  • 3rd down efficiency - 30th
  • Passing yards - 32nd
  • Yards/attempts - 27th
  • Completion % - 29th
  • Sacks taken - 30th (ranked in ascending order of number taken, fewer being better)
  • Net passing yards per game - 32nd
So there are all sorts of relative stats that show Kaepernick clearly at or very near the bottom among all other QBs.

Now to the second question - did any other activists kneel in 2014-2016 and still play?
  • Eric Reid - first to join Kaepernick in kneeling, played 26 games between 2017 and 2018.
  • Kenny Stills - knelt during early period of Kaepernick's protest, continues kneeling and speaking out in defense of Kaepernick and the message, played 31 games between 2017 and 2018.
  • Michael Thomas - knelt every game from Kaeprnick's start through the entire 2017 season, played 36 games between 2017 and 2018.
Thus, there is no valid proof of the null hypothesis that the SOLE reason Kaepernick does not have a job is activism/kneeling. From one side, it can be proven that he has objectively worse statistics at his position than the majority of NFL quarterbacks, and from the other side, it can be proven that other players who have participated in the EXACT SAME activism have all played in the NFL during the time that he has not.

All the SJWs trying to prove anything other than "mediocre 33 year old ex-qb does not have job because he simply isn't good enough to warrant a contract" are simply ignoring logic and all available evidence.
Well supported, factual argument.

Additional points:

1. One could argue that he was "the face" and brought more drama to the team so there is that. However, he is clearly not a solid starter anymore and there is a long long line of guys willing to be the back-up QB which is where his skills place him (and that was 3 years ago.)

2. With continued rule changes in the NFL opening up the passing game, the value of a guy with an arm has gone up and the value of mobile guys with so-so arms has faded.
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