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Old 08-11-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Putting your safety in someone else's hands.
What could go wrong?
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Well joe Biden introduced gun free zones in 1990
How is that working out
Let's ask Chicago PD
Gun free zones should be banned unless metal detectors are installed at the entrance and armed security monitoring them.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Why should responsible gun owners be opposed to background checks, training requirements, licensing, and denying firearms to the mentally unstable? In states moving toward requiring none or most of that being required, I hope something will be learned if shooting deaths go up, rather than down.
Iím not actually personally opposed to background checks, and I think training is a wonderful idea. Just like I wouldnít turn someone loose with a chainsaw if theyíve never operated one, people shouldnít just pick up a gun and walk around with it. The mentally ill are already not allowed to own firearms, so Iím not sure of your point on that one. Licensing and/or registration is a non starter for me. Itís a violation of the 4th Amendment more so than the 2nd.

Hereís the issue. Our constitution specifically prohibits infringement on the right to keep and bear arms. Anything that makes it harder to own a firearm, such as background checks, waiting periods, extra taxes, etc. are infringements. While I donít, on a personal level, have an issue with them (aside from the fact that the vast majority of shooters pass the background check which makes background checks relatively useless), they are not allowed by the constitution. If the government were honest and adhering to the U.S. Constitution, there would be exactly zero gun laws for that reason. Considering that the 2nd Amendment has already been trashed to the point that it barely counts and mass shootings are increasing in frequency, itís time to start looking for the actual cause of the problem rather than taking the easy - and wrong - answer.

If the issue were not enough gun laws, places like New York, Baltimore, and Chicago would be utopia. Instead, they are held up as a prime example of why gun laws donít solve the problem.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:49 PM
 
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Gun nuts are not criminals until the first round contacts a kid, mom or whoever else. So we need a system whereby we can stop that speeding bullet and then arrest the new CRIMINAL.

I think Superman can do the job.

The best law for gun control, as my knowing friends suggest, is more legal prostitution. That will calm the anger of most shooters.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Yet legal and legitimate firearms owners are the focus of all the hoopla surrounding the call for more and more laws restricting firearms rights in light of recent events. Using logic and "common sense" does that dog actually hunt?
I guarantee you that "legal and legitimate" gun owners are not the target of the hoopla. If all gun owners used guns in legal and legitimate ways we wouldn't be having this debate at all.

The target is the gangs, crooks, and mass murderers. But 2A is a non-discriminatory law - it protects legitimate gun owners as well as the ones who should not be in possession of any gun.

Gun owners could help themselves if they would propose how we keep guns out of the hands of the idiots.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:35 PM
 
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It wasnít just the Parkland shooter that was allowed to pass under the radar. Many of the young men who snap this way show warning signs that are ignored. The Parkland shooter was probably the most egregious example, but far from the only one who was able to carry out his plan because the authorities didnít take the situation seriously enough.
The Glee nightclub killer was turned into the FBI beforehand and they ignored it too.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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I've had people ask for suggestions on gun reform.

14 day waiting periods.
No sales by private owners
No sales at gun shows
10 rounds magazine limit
No bump stocks
No cranks
Licenses for all arms
Child Lock Requirements
Minimum age of purchase 21
Assault rifle ban
Universal background checks
Domestic violence ban

Perfect. This is what Congress should be working to implement. I'm sure some of you will have a field day with this. But I won't be responding to any yeah buts or what abouts.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I've had people ask for suggestions on gun reform.

14 day waiting periods.
No sales by private owners
No sales at gun shows
10 rounds magazine limit
No bump stocks
No cranks
Licenses for all arms
Child Lock Requirements
Minimum age of purchase 21
Assault rifle ban
Universal background checks
Domestic violence ban

Perfect. This is what Congress should be working to implement. I'm sure some of you will have a field day with this. But I won't be responding to any yeah buts or what abouts.
Perfectly willing to trample the Constitution rather than looking for solutions that work. Since you arenít willing to defend your position, why post at all?
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:58 PM
 
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I've had people ask for suggestions on gun reform.

14 day waiting periods.
No sales by private owners
No sales at gun shows
10 rounds magazine limit
No bump stocks
No cranks
Licenses for all arms
Child Lock Requirements
Minimum age of purchase 21
Assault rifle ban
Universal background checks
Domestic violence ban

Perfect. This is what Congress should be working to implement. I'm sure some of you will have a field day with this. But I won't be responding to any yeah buts or what abouts.
Is this meant as a joke? Start with the easy one. Private sales, One state has a law and can find no way to enforce it.
Domestic violence bans, red flag laws are already being abused.
We already have universal background check,
As fast as you can change magazines a 10 round limit would accomplish nothing,
How would you go back and license the 400 million so guns many of which have no serial numbers?
Bump stocks are already illegal
"cranks" ?
Sales at gun shows require a BG check, so no different than a store
Assault rifles are already almost impossible to buy at $15-$20,000each.
Child lock, why. why not parent instead?
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Old 08-11-2019, 06:13 PM
 
Location: The South
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I've heard the phrase, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". Kinda like gun free zones.
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