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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If you have not seen a friend in 15 years, it sounds like you are not "close" friends.

Are you calling President Trump a child molester?
About the same amount of time Clinton claims he last saw Epstein.

Most of the allegations date back to the 90ís when both Trump and Clinton were pals with him. Does not mean either or both engaged with the shady side of not.

The guy knew thousands of people all over the world, no diff than Trump and Clinton. Epstein knew Stephen Hawking. Anyone think he engaged? How about Barbara Walters?
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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Well you seem kind of fixated on Barr and your last post was about Barr in NYC.
That .gov link is proof he was in NYC
Barr is the person who

Is trying to protect Trump.
Has already fiddled around with the NYC LE community (with Manafort recently)
and is the head of the Office responsible for this.....(??)

As such, why wouldn't one focus on him?

Say what you will, the odds of him being "surprised" when this happened are quite low. Same goes with dozens of people at the top of various governments (I'm sure Israel and UK and many more are pleased).

At my last look, the Clintons are not the head of government anywhere and have almost zero leverage or power over any of them.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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If you have not seen a friend in 15 years, it sounds like you are not "close" friends.

Are you calling President Trump a child molester?
Just because one hasnít seen in a long time doesnít mean they are lesser friends. Distance plays a part in the friendship. No. But I find it interesting all the sex scandal Trumps been a part of he and Epstein were once friends. Again people with money tend to hang out in the same circles.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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I sincerely hope whomever hung out with Epstein and was involved in his sick fantasy, that this can be brought forward and out into the light.
Hoping about this is about as effective as prayers and thoughts for the 100's killed in mass shootings.

I'm hoping there is Peace on Earth and people stop doing anything morally wrong.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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Now that won't occur. Epstein will never be a witness, and any testimony he made will just be dismissed as "heresay" without him being able to be called as a witness.

His "suicide" just ensured this goes no further than Epstein.
What kind of "justice" can the victims expect? Surely because of/and inspite of his death, there must be a way to make those involved in this sick escapade, pay dearly.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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If anything has shocked my faith in our government it is this. This doesn't look good. If this happened in some country like Russia we would be sneering at their despotic government. This happened on our soil, and it seems a giant chunk of the media is in on it by just leading with - he committed suicide. No tough questions were asked. Some pundits and "analysts" even came out to wag their fingers at us for engaging in conspiracy theories.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I think some here have holes in their tinfoil hats. I still think itís interesting how Trump supporters ignore the fact that Epstein and Trump were friends. Nothing surprising about it though.
he dropped Trump when he met Big Daddy Clinton.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Barr is the person who

Is trying to protect Trump.
Has already fiddled around with the NYC LE community (with Manafort recently)
and is the head of the Office responsible for this.....(??)

As such, why wouldn't one focus on him?

Say what you will, the odds of him being "surprised" when this happened are quite low. Same goes with dozens of people at the top of various governments (I'm sure Israel and UK and many more are pleased).

At my last look, the Clintons are not the head of government anywhere and have almost zero leverage or power over any of them.
I agree. This transcends Trump vs Clinton bickering.

I'll paraphrase a comment I read somewhere:

Our government was either in on it or was powerless to prevent it.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Just because one hasnít seen in a long time doesnít mean they are lesser friends. Distance plays a part in the friendship. No. But I find it interesting all the sex scandal Trumps been a part of he and Epstein were once friends. Again people with money tend to hang out in the same circles.
We pretty much know that Trump got angry with Epstein over a small real estate transaction in PB...at about the same time, the Russians made sure that Trump made "free" money of the same amount or more in a small RE deal in PB.

Sometime after Jeff was somewhat publicly exposed for grabbing too much puzzy while at Mar-a-Lago so Trump had to terminate his membership. One can assume at that time that Trump saw that the whole thing was "going public" and he'd be better to distance himself.....

In summary, Trump distanced himself (in person) from Jeff right about the time the Government started their case against Epstein!

"In March 2005, a woman contacted Florida's Palm Beach Police Department and alleged that her 14-year-old stepdaughter had been taken to Epstein's mansion"

Uh, that was over 14 years ago and given Trump's tendency to "stretch the truth"...the timeline works out. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if proof of them together is after that time (but before the final indictment in that case)...
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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I wonder how many "interested parties" will come forward (to sue the jail) saying the jail was lax and that Epstein should have had better protection from himself and from others?
The jail WAS lax, and he should have had protection. He was supposed to be checked every 30 minutes, and he was supposed to have had a roommate. Neither of these guarantees were met.

These things were to prevent a suicide. The prosecution needed Epstein to be alive, not dead.

Because proper procedures were not followed, it appears his death was at least facilitated, if not arranged.

At least we are spared having footage of the man hanging himself, although I know some would derive sick pleasure watching it. But cameras were only placed in hallways, not rooms.

I hope the Bureau of Prisons gets a management shakeup, at the very least. They had guards on mandatory overtime guarding their most valuable prisoner. Apparently the place has a staffing problem. Since it is known to be a hellhole, I can imagine why.

I know large numbers of people believe in complex conspiracy theories. They seldom believe bad things about the people they like and trust though. Usually they are most willing to believe bad things about people they hate or disdain. No crime is too horrible to imagine this person committing. Often, people ascribe immense power to the hated person, or persons. The Clintons are such a target for many now. But there is no evidence that the Clintons had anything to do with Epsteinís death, or that Bill associated with him in recent years. Nor, has anyone credibly accused him of molesting young girls with Epstein. I think Bill used Epstein and Epstein used Bill. Bill needed transportation and Epstein craved the respect he would garner in doing favors for Bill.

If evidenceónot speculative accusationsóproves me wrong, Iíll be appalled and certainly would revise my opinion.
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