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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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This is more entertaining than I thought it would be. We have BOTH sets of conspiracy whacks hard at work for this one. Either the "Clinton family" had him killed, or the "Trump crime syndicate" somehow had him eliminated. Since both political machines have had plenty of contact and interaction with Epstein, it's a free for all. After all it's a lot more exciting to promote some nutty idea than to examine the reality of the situation, which is that the prison system failed us miserably in terms of bringing justice for this guy's victims.
Well let's see.

Hillary Clinton turned $1000 to $100k in a matter of days in cattle futures.
Whitewater.
Clinton got the questions ahead of time in the debates from CNN and Donna Brazille.
Bill Clinton was accused of rape. Settled out of court with Paula Jones.
Had an affair with a much younger intern and lied about it.
Paid Fusion GPS for a fake pack of lies about Trump and then funneled it through the FBI to get warrants to spy on the Trump campaign to keep him from winning. When that didn't work, they opened an investigation into him based on previous fake dossier. If you think the Clintons aren't dirty, you are either 5 years old and not paying attention. And this isn't even all of it. I am not even going to get into all the 'friends' of the Clintons who have committed 'suicide'.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-Houston-DFW
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Your ideal that trending on twitter somehow means that things won't be covered up...should be considered in view of the Mueller Report and everything else we have seen happen. In the Scheme of things those deals are vastly larger than Epstein. And what happened? Some lesser characters in jail...

The Barr and DeSantis announce "investigations" that means "we'll drag this out and meanwhile so many other crimes of ours will happen that it will be forgotten about.

Most people are not on twitter. Of the people on twitter, I doubt 1% of them every take action (other than tweets) about things.

Show me when a million or two million people are going to descend on DC...like in Hong Kong...and then we can start to discuss change. Sorry, online "organizing" does change things.
Vastly larger than Epstein? Hell no! Esptein is for sure larger than the media created Russia controversy as it literally involves a worldwide child trafficking ring (with some satanic rituals on the side), and implicates so many people across so many industries. Billionaires, CEOs, former heads of state, politicians, entertainers, etc.

What happened on Twitter was obvious... there was a clear diversion tactic that someone (Shareblue?) was trying to push after receiving those orders from higher ups. It obviously didn't work, especially once people realized how little Trump's name was mentioned in the released court documents. That and this suicide taken by itself is ridiculous. Clear cover-up going on.

Yeah no one will ascend like that on DC if the news doesn't accurately report what's going on. Instead, we get a lot of paid protestors for whatever "I hate Trump" march is happening. People who actually believed this Russia thing and completely dismissed child trafficking (aka pizzagate) because Snopes or whatever other biased media "debunked it". Yet here we are, seeing things mentioned in pizzagate back in 2015/16 coming to the light...
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:03 PM
 
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And just for the record, while Epstein was clearly a pedophile, he was a SEX TRAFFICKER.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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As I have already stated, there is evidence that Ghislaine Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell was murdered, he was even threatening the Israeli PM and wanted £400 million to pay off debts or was going to releasesecrets regarding Israel.

Robert Maxwell was Rupert Murdoch's main rival until his death, and was immensely wealthy and powerful, and the two men hated each other with a passion.

After her father's death in 1991 Ghislaine Maxwell moved to the US and became a close associate of financier Jeffrey Epstein.

The Discovery Channel proved Maxwell's death was no accident and was most likely a Mossad hit, in the video below. In terms of Epstein, I just don't know, but he could well have been murdered.



Was he pushed? - Telegraph

Was Robert Maxwell murdered? | Media | The Guardian

The mystery of Maxwell's death | The Independent

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Old 08-12-2019, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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This is more entertaining than I thought it would be. We have BOTH sets of conspiracy whacks hard at work for this one. Either the "Clinton family" had him killed, or the "Trump crime syndicate" somehow had him eliminated. Since both political machines have had plenty of contact and interaction with Epstein, it's a free for all. After all it's a lot more exciting to promote some nutty idea than to examine the reality of the situation, which is that the prison system failed us miserably in terms of bringing justice for this guy's victims.
Indeed. But how and why the "prison system failed us" is something that must be investigated.


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People who actually believed this Russia thing and completely dismissed child trafficking (aka pizzagate) because Snopes or whatever other biased media "debunked it". Yet here we are, seeing things mentioned in pizzagate back in 2015/16 coming to the light...
"Pizzagate" has been extensively discredited by a wide range of organizations, including the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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Oh, look at that. He had "attempted suicide" just weeks before, they took him off of suicide watch, transferred his cell mate, no video of anything, they didn't check his cell for hours, and he's dead - from apparent suicide.

No, they do not video in cells if he's off of suicide watch. They do video every other part of the pod. AND they do HOURLY checks - that is required. You don't just sit at a desk and observe from afar, part of the job is to get your butt up and visually check into each cell every. fricken. hour at the least. That's for regular inmates. This dude was supposed to be checked every 20 minutes. Some do it more just to throw the inmates off. But they didn't check on him for hours, his cell mate was transferred - and he "committed suicide".

Give me a fricken break. Anyone who is buying this BS is one naive fool.
Agree. But the thing I find MOST interesting is how many people are sure this wasn't a murder. How do you prove a negative? Not knowing anything? It's clear that anyone not asking the question are just biased from the get go.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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Appears most took a giant step away from Epstein when the original Epstein Investigation began.

Thus far no one has implicated Trump or Clinton.

The prospect of civil suits against Epsteinís estate will compel many to come out of the woodwork. No doubt, some will be false claims.

Teen girls were recruited, trained and paid for their services. We are not talking about prepubescent children snatched out of their beds, at night. No one was held in a cage.

Most of the girls returned once they knew massage = sex. They accepted payment for their services. Some went on to recruit other teen girls. Eventually, girls aged out and departed.

Age of consent is a moving target. 100 years ago, age of consent was 10-12 in most states. One state, Delaware determined the age of consent for a girl to be age 7.

I am not making excuses for the POS.
Kind of sounds like you are.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Multiple investigations concluded the former was a Suicide and the latter an attempted robbery. Nonetheless, conspiracy theories persist.

People believe anything when it seems to validate and reinforce their perceptions.
Seth Rich was shot in the back of the head in a 'robbery'. Nothing was taken. Seems like one would at least question that.
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:12 PM
 
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Former Acting AG Matt Whitaker was asked about this Epstein fiasco. I had no idea he was such a big guy! Must have played football in college.

The short video is from a body language expert's channel. I find her interpretations fascinating. You can use some of this info to read other people in your life, by the way.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK6dd-neWAs
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Old 08-12-2019, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-Houston-DFW
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"Pizzagate" has been extensively discredited by a wide range of organizations, including the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia.
No it has not been discredited at all. What was "discredited" (if you can call it that) was an out of left field conspiracy that Clinton was eating babies in the basement of a pizza parlor in NW DC. That actually wasn't happening there but instead on Epstein's island. Like I already mentioned a few facts/tidbits coming out now were heavy Pizzagate topics in 2016.

If you knew what Pizzagate actually was, which WAS NOT what Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Snopes, etc. reported it as being, then you'd know this stuff is true. Like Epstein's island was a hot topic in 2016. His flight logs were a big topic back then too. Comet Ping Pong that had a basement they held tomatoes in back in 2013 but all of a sudden didn't have a basement in 2016 after Pizzagate. The numerous Instagram accounts dating back to 2010-2011 with questionable photos all of a sudden go private as soon as Pizzagate comes out. The huge spike in human trafficking arrests since 2016 as well (from a little over 1k worldwide in 2017 to over 10k worldwide).

My thing is this, if Pizzagate was based on child trafficking and pedophilia, then why the hell did people dismiss it? Why would the media, all run by the same people, dismiss it. The answer to that question would be actually another question... why is Jeffrey Epstein dead a day after thousands of pages were released incriminating some powerful folks?
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