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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
Voters: 429. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-12-2019, 05:15 PM
 
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I'm a little surprised that folks are shocked that this could happen in one of our jails. Y'all don't know much about the problems with jails these days do you.

Reality--- investigation is going on with or without him.
Guilty parties will be found out.

Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew -- could all be hung out to dry -- so to speak...or not.

Funny thing Barr is upset -- Barr you had one job. This was a high profile case...you needed to pass down to your employees that this case had to be handled with the upmost care.

oops -- you failed -- Barr failed......

Doesn't matter who you all think paid to get Epstien killed or if Epstein did it.........there was one man hired to oversee our penal system BARR.....he's shocked and outraged...um dude...you seriously did not have the conversation with any of your staff about the importance of this guy.....or did you?
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:20 PM
 
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I'm a little surprised that folks are shocked that this could happen in one of our jails. Y'all don't know much about the problems with jails these days do you.

Reality--- investigation is going on with or without him.
Guilty parties will be found out.

Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew -- could all be hung out to dry -- so to speak...or not.

Funny thing Barr is upset -- Barr you had one job. This was a high profile case...you needed to pass down to your employees that this case had to be handled with the upmost care.

oops -- you failed -- Barr failed......

Doesn't matter who you all think paid to get Epstien killed or if Epstein did it.........there was one man hired to oversee our penal system BARR.....he's shocked and outraged...um dude...you seriously did not have the conversation with any of your staff about the importance of this guy.....or did you?
Don't you think that would already have happened with El Chappo ?
That guy was the master of escape and he was high profile too.

El Chappo was at MCC up until 7/18.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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You had one job, Manhattan police. To make sure he lives until he sings.
But no.

Epscum suicide

Yeah, we didn't see it coming.

ps. moderators, please move this to general politics
Wrong, he was in a Federal facility. Which thanks to Trumps administration is under staffed.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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Supposedly they aren't supposed to be left alone in 9 south.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/11/epst...jail-cell.html
Epstein’s cell mate had been transferred out at the time of Epstein’s suicide, the Times reported, leaving him alone only two weeks after he was taken off suicide watch, a move that also violated the Metropolitan Correctional Center’s standard protocol, according to officials.
Aren't supposed to be left alone? Meaning no cellie? This is stupid reporters not knowing anything about prisons or how they work. An inmate is always safer without a cellie. It wouldn't surprise me if the cellmate is the one who beat him the first time. If fed prisons are relying on cellmates to keep them from being depressed then that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.

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Old 08-12-2019, 05:25 PM
 
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Seth Rich was shot in the back of the head in a 'robbery'. Nothing was taken. Seems like one would at least question that.
Except you are propagating Russian intelligence yourself - as he was not shot in the head and was actually left alive - and MANY who have dealt with vast numbers of contract killings have stated it has zero marks of such.

They DO shoot in the head and they don't leave their victims alive......AND, they don't follow them 30 blocks through bad neighborhoods at 4am where 1/2 dozen similar robberies (armed) occurred in the weeks before...

There you go. Now you don't have to read or listen to Russians or others pushing their theories.

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-the...100000831.html

It shows the problem with our times..

" Fox News was forced to retract the story"

"In the six weeks prior to Rich’s shooting, there had been seven armed robberies in the same neighborhood, causing residents to complain to local police.

“We’ve had so many holdups on the same corner, with the same method of holdup, where two guys grab the person,” "

Let's more on. Check your facts.....if you kindly would.
https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-the...100000831.html
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:26 PM
 
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Aren't supposed to be left alone? Meaning no cellie? This is stupid reporters not knowing anything about prisons or how they work. An inmate is always safer without a cellie.
But MCC isn't any old prison. They had special areas each with their own protocols.
There was 10 south where El Chappo was and then 9 south where Epstein was.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:30 PM
 
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Glad this poll has a closing date. It would be more sensible to re-visit this in a few months when we actually have some facts.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:33 PM
 
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But MCC isn't any old prison. They had special areas each with their own protocols.
There was 10 south where El Chappo was and then 9 south where Epstein was.
Well if they didn't follow them then they will be in trouble, even if the protocols are stupid. Having a cellmate will not keep someone bent on suicide from doing it, neither will 30 minute checks.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:34 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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This is one of the few times where I am going to side with the conspiracy group. There are far too many coincidences. This wasn't a guano one heard of or cared about. This was a super high priority scum bag. If ever there was someone who needed to be suicided it was Epstein.

Yes they will continue the investigation, and it will be much easier to change the narrative without the main character being alive to call bs or to tell what really happened....

There are too many high profile politicians on both sides of this who have been implicated including high ranking foreign nationals.

Maybe Epstein killed himself, but I think it just as plausible that he was murdered.

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Old 08-12-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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I think they are going to focus on the "prison guard crisis" as the reason this happened.

I mean..has anyone ever heard of overtime being described as "extreme overtime" ?
Even if they were tired due to this extreme overtime then at least 1 guy does the circuit while the other guy sleeps.
But neither one did their circuit for hours.
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