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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
Voters: 429. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-12-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The real puppet masters would consider the Clintons to be servants. People like the Bushes might be trusted servants, but the Clintons would be troublesome servants that needed constant cleaning up after. Obama would be more like a pet. So I'd put Epstein's murderers higher up than them. He had dirt on the masters of the world banks, global commerce, heads of state, crowned heads of Europe,entertainment moguls. I don't think he was as depraved as some like the Podestas, but bad enough. But the Clintons have been awfully quiet and its been publicly stated that some high up favorites of the left are going to have to be dropped over this affair. Let's hope that still happens.
We can always trust the government to protect us. And to screw us and to lie to us and steal from us and to prey on us.
I believe that it was foul play, and I also think the command came from someone we don't even know, who does a damn good job of making sure they stay behind the curtain.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-Houston-DFW
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Yeah I actually do. More than some wild conspiracy that could never remain quiet.
What makes it so wild, especially considering the people he knew and what happened on his island (and Zorro Ranch...can't forget about that place). Has the government never done something like this before?
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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OK let's be real here. I have never heard of an AG being responsible for the daily running of any prison. Your TDS is showing and how....

The prison has policies. The policies for whatever reason were not followed. The question is who owns that?

In my book the Warden. It is his job to enforce policy and create the culture that policy is always followed. Chances are that warden has had the job for sometime. Longer than Trump has been POTUS.

The guards. I would be looking at their bank accounts and debts, I would keep them under the microscope for a few years.
Maybe so. But the ball is in Barr's court now. He's been talking tough about getting to the bottom of this but will he follow through and kick butts and take names? We'll see. But until he does I'll regard him as Trump's personal lawyer rather than the Attorney General of the United States.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Multiple investigations concluded the former was a Suicide and the latter an attempted robbery. Nonetheless, conspiracy theories persist.

People believe anything when it seems to validate and reinforce their perceptions.
And it's amazing how people like you believe and defend all the BS that is being fed to us by a corrupt and lying government. I think I will trust my own gut over what the lying corrupt government says.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:46 PM
 
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What makes it so wild, especially considering the people he knew and what happened on his island (and Zorro Ranch...can't forget about that place). Has the government never done something like this before?
Because it is so outrageous and could never be kept quiet. Ever. It would require the involvement of normal people going about their business doing their jobs. These are not the people who keep quiet about such a criminal act.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The poll seems about right. Maybe 20 to 25% of the people are who I call " The Ostrich People" who have their heads in the sand(or some other place) and like to live in a world that doesn't scare them and be told that everything is okay.
The rest will look at something and at least wonder about it. A few will try to find out the truth and inform others about it. Of course, now these people have been branded dangerous conspiracy theorists and online free speech has to be restricted for "our safety".
Like when we were told we had to restrict online free speech because the Russians fixed our election. Until we found out they didn't.
You noticed that? Those who believe the official story, tend to also defend big government and want big government to take care of every little aspect of their lives.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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You noticed that? Those who believe the official story, tend to also defend big government and want big government to take care of every little aspect of their lives.
I'm not any of those things, in fact quite the opposite, but still think the conspiracy is silly.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I agree. This transcends Trump vs Clinton bickering.

I'll paraphrase a comment I read somewhere:

Our government was either in on it or was powerless to prevent it.
I don't remember or know too much about Clinton before his run for the White House, but I do know when he came onto the scene, he was this really cool, laid back guy. I do think he was originally the kind of President that was for the people. I do believe that one section of government, the FBI and CIA, are working for a small group of very elite individuals. They will never answer to or take orders from anyone in any of the branches of the working government. And, they use these agencies to keep anyone like a President, or a celebrity, a war hero, a philanthropist, in check. I think they were unhappy Clinton beat out Bush, who they wanted in office to keep these wars in the Middle East going, so they kept on attacking Clinton with scandal after scandal after scandal. In the end, I feel like Bill Clinton gave up, and agreed to be another arm for these people.

Both Bush jr and Obama I believe were hand picked by these elites, and won easily in their presidencies. Trump was a surprise, but with the elite's control over the news papers, and the FBI and CIA, they are using their power to keep Trump in check as well, and it's why he's never gone after Hillary, hasn't gotten us out of the Middle East wars, and hasn't been able to do anything about NAFTA, or the bleeding of America.

So, yes, I believe our government is in on it, and the good guys who might be part of it are powerless to stop it.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:23 PM
 
Location: PRC
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Because it is so outrageous and could never be kept quiet. Ever. It would require the involvement of normal people going about their business doing their jobs. These are not the people who keep quiet about such a criminal act.
If you really believe this, then you do not realize that most people want to keep their jobs to keep a roof over their heads. You dont step out of line if you are struggling to pay rent, food, etc for your family. The people who work in these places where all this goes on, are not normal people(what is normal anyway?) - that's why they were recruited. When you have a vacancy for a position, you look for someone who is suitable and who will 'fit in' to the organisation, right?

It is the same with the UK royal family, they do not often get people who spill the beans on what dodgy stuff goes on there.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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Maybe so. But the ball is in Barr's court now. He's been talking tough about getting to the bottom of this but will he follow through and kick butts and take names? We'll see. But until he does I'll regard him as Trump's personal lawyer rather than the Attorney General of the United States.
What if HE is the bottom of it...which is the scenario with the largest odds?

He's a trump loyalist, not OUR attorney general. He's proven that already...and continues to do so.

What is more important to Barr?

1. Trump loyalty and his position
2. The Truth and Serving the Regular people of the USA.

In my mind, and based on actions, there is no question. As I said before there will be plenty of smoke screens laid out...until everyone forgets.

Given mass shootings, trump tweets, hong kong, iran, a sinking economy and the beginnings of the 2020 election, the public will throw this who situation out of their minds within a few weeks. As it stands it barely made in into the C-D thread list (before)....
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