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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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Also, he supposedly commits suicide late Friday night and the story breaks in the media on a Saturday in the middle of August when most people are vacationing or getting ready to get back to school.

There's just too many convenient coincidences to believe there wasn't any foul play involved.

People say you shouldn't entertain conspiracy theories, but Watergate, Iran-Contra, political assassinations and many other conspiracies are just some events that have happen in our history.

When you have corrupt humans involved with power and authority, conspiracies do happen.
I know what you mean.

I absolutely DO NOT want to believe that Epstein's suicide was planned for by anyone but Epstein.

But I echo AOC - "We need answers. Lots of them."
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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For political reasons they will search for every little bit of evidence hoping to find something to hurt Trump. The funny part is the stuff they find on Bill Clinton and other democrats they will try to hide or not report. It wont work
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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I think they might have been agreeing with what I said I have seen, where the flights were to other places and were legs, not flights, and so on. The sentence can be read either way, I guess, agreeing with the other poster or with me.
Doesn't matter to me whether they are entire flights or legs of flights.

They simply don't show that Clinton flew on Epstein's jet to Epstein's island or any other Epstein property.

Giuffre has said that she saw Clinton on the island, but neither she nor any other of the victims has said that they had sexual contact with Clinton.

I find it fascinating that the evidence at this point regarding both Clinton and Trump is roughly equivalent - they definitely both were seen more than once enjoying Epstein's company/hospitality and both had more than casual contact with him. None of the victims has claimed to have had sex with either one. Yet some people think that this generally similar evidence damns one and exonerates the other.

Me? I don't think nearly enough shoes have yet dropped. Not willing yet to let either of them off the hook, along with the dozens of other A-listers who partied around with, and worked on projects with, Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sure that many of those folks never had sex with Epstein's underage teenagers. I wanna know WHO DID.

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Old 08-14-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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Doesn't matter to me whether they are entire flights or legs of flights.

They simply don't show that Clinton flew on Epstein's jet to Epstein's island or any other Epstein property.

Giuffre has said that she saw Clinton on the island, but neither she nor any other of the victims has said that they had sexual contact with Clinton.

I find it fascinating that the evidence at this point regarding both Clinton and Trump is roughly equivalent - they definitely both were seen more than once enjoying Epstein's company/hospitality and both had more than casual contact with him. None of the victims has claimed to have had sex with either one. Yet some people think that this generally similar evidence damns one and exonerates the other.

Me? I don't think nearly enough shoes have yet dropped. Not willing yet to let either of them off the hook, along with the dozens of other A-listers who partied around with, and worked on projects with, Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sure that many of those folks never had sex with Epstein's underage teenagers. I wanna know WHO DID.
Oh, I know...they use the number of legs to make it seem like there were that many full flights and inflate it all. And they all went elsewhere, anyway.

It is weird to me. There is definitely evidence that both men were possibly involved. Key word possibly... It could be both, one, or neither. Other people too. I don't care who in what party. I just care if they did it. But so many try to make this partisan indeed.
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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Thanks. So what functions were going on in the picture of Trump and the woman (not a little girl) and the earlier clip that looks like in the 80's? BTW, Epstein was a guy who managed money of only those who had no less than a billion dollars. Of course Epstein was seen in public with Trump. He was probably pursuing Trump as a potential client to manage his finances since Trump's worth has, for the most part, been that.

From what I've been reading, Epstein started pimping little girls out in or around 2002. How has the Trump's relations been with Epstein from 2002 to current? How has the Clinton's relations been with Epstein from 2002 to current? Obviously Bill was more involved with Epstein during those years, he took many flights on Epstein's aircraft. The woman who was Epstein's little girl recruiter was even at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. Was any of the Trumps at that wedding?
You're trying too hard.
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:13 PM
 
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Thanks. So what functions were going on in the picture of Trump and the woman (not a little girl) and the earlier clip that looks like in the 80's? BTW, Epstein was a guy who managed money of only those who had no less than a billion dollars. Of course Epstein was seen in public with Trump. He was probably pursuing Trump as a potential client to manage his finances since Trump's worth has, for the most part, been that.

From what I've been reading, Epstein started pimping little girls out in or around 2002. How has the Trump's relations been with Epstein from 2002 to current? How has the Clinton's relations been with Epstein from 2002 to current? Obviously Bill was more involved with Epstein during those years, he took many flights on Epstein's aircraft. The woman who was Epstein's little girl recruiter was even at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. Was any of the Trumps at that wedding?
Epstein's personal interest in underaged teenagers predates 2002 by several decades. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...dalton-school/

Now just when he hit on the idea of using underaged teenagers to influence/blackmail others is yet to be determined, but if it's true that he used them to gain part of his fortune, he could well have been actively doing it by 2002.

Then of course there's this -

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Note, this means that Trump knew Epstein as early as 1987. Does this quote mean that Trump knew about or was personally involved in Epstein's sex ring? No. But it doesn't exactly indicate ignorance of Epstein's activities either.

If you're trying to use isolated observations, guesswork, hints and innuendo to make a case against Clinton, I can just as well make a case against Trump. With equal validity.

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Old 08-14-2019, 03:35 PM
 
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Epstein's personal interest in underaged teenagers predates 2002 by several decades. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...dalton-school/

Now just when he hit on the idea of using underaged teenagers to influence/blackmail others is yet to be determined, but if it's true that he used them to gain part of his fortune, he could well have been actively doing it by 2002.

Then of course there's this -

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Note, this means that Trump knew Epstein as early as 1987. Does this quote mean that Trump knew about or was personally involved in Epstein's sex ring? No. But it doesn't exactly indicate ignorance of Epstein's activities either.

If you're trying to use isolated observations, guesswork, hints and innuendo to make a case against Clinton, I can just as well make a case against Trump. With equal validity.
He was romantically involved with the woman who ultimately became his little girl recruiter. She's not that much different in age compared to him. I think there's a 9 year age difference. If he had personal interests in underage girls before 2002, where are they? The oldest one I'm reading about is now 33 years old. Going back to 2002 and that makes her roughly 14 at that time.
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:38 PM
 
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Should have some very detached independent identification of the body. Dental records, dna, whatever. This sham stinks to high heaven. I trust no one in this. Such obvious bs. Shifting a warden and sending guards home will probably be as far as it goes. What good is surveillance when everyone is compromised, and oops, fell asleep, looked the other way etc
A private pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden, observed the autopsy at the request of Epstein’s lawyers.
https://www.apnews.com/f0eef647142d40a092f5b3fe9321f480
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:39 PM
 
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You're trying too hard.
Not hard at all. Since 2002 Epstein, with the aid of his little girl recruiter socialite friend, pimped little underage girls out to politicians, rich and famous alike. Which politicians, rich and famous alike have been buddy buddies with Epstein and his little girl recruiter from 2002 until recent? Oh my, the little girl recruiter was even at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. How Efing bizarre.
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:42 PM
 
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I find it fascinating that the evidence at this point regarding both Clinton and Trump is roughly equivalent - ....
Incorrect. Absolutely. Epstein's accusers have clearly stated that Trump was never involved. They have not said that about any of Epstein's close associates. You are falling for dope from the crooked MSM looking for a way to protect Bill Clinton and others.
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