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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-Houston-DFW
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Check with Bill Barr. Everyone thinks he was brought in for the Mueller deal but the Trump/Epstein ordeal is what he was really brought in for and that's to make it all go away. That's what's going to happen. We can all talk conspiracy stuff for the next several weeks but nothing will come from this except settlements to the victims.
It's honestly very stupid to make this a partisan issue. People who are trying to solely link Trump/Epstein are living in a vacuum. There are so many involved and to act like this is the reason why Bill Barr was brought in is crazy. Especially considering all documents we have so far say Trump was not involved. That and there's definitely plenty of videos/photos of other people with Epstein, but it's understandable the President would receive the headlines...

Unless you think Trump is in on the coverup. Let's not forget Epstein was Jewish and had powerful connections. Half of Trump's administration is Jewish too. Which by the way, makes me wonder why people call him anti-semetic. Like are his "supporters" vandalizing Jewish property because they thought he was their white nationalist hope but instead he has a half Jewish administration? Do they think of it as betrayal?

These are questions you'll never hear from cable news because if they asked then people would realize the rhetoric they spew doesn't make sense.
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:43 PM
 
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Apparently Woody Allen was to have dinner with Epstein. That's what the news is reporting.
Woody doesn't have enough money. Epstein only dealt with those with a billion or greater. Now in the next life, who knows. Soon Yi turned 18 long before Epstein started pimping out teenage girls. Now had Soon Yi been 14 years old in 2002, well then maybe Epstein and his female little girl recruiter may have shown an interested in Papa Woody and his young little step daughter.
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Old 08-14-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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That is what I have read.
You read an incomplete report then. Might wanna reflect on whether your news source is all that reliable.

The flight logs show 26 known flights/legs for the Clinton trips. Not a single one of these 26 trips wound up at Epstein's island.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-lo...eviously-known

I bet there are other flight logs out there. But we don't know what's in them, because they haven't come to light yet. This particular set of 26 does not show that Clinton traveled to Epstein's island on Epstein's jet.
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:00 PM
 
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You read an incomplete report then. Might wanna reflect on whether your news source is all that reliable.

There are 26 known flight logs for the Clinton trips. Not a single one of these 26 trips wound up at Epstein's island.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-lo...eviously-known

I bet there are other flight logs out there. But we don't know what's in them, because they haven't come to light yet. But this particular set of 26 does not show that Clinton traveled to Epstein's island on Epstein's jet.
I think they might have been agreeing with what I said I have seen, where the flights were to other places and were legs, not flights, and so on. The sentence can be read either way, I guess, agreeing with the other poster or with me.
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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Also, he supposedly commits suicide late Friday night and the story breaks in the media on a Saturday in the middle of August when most people are vacationing or getting ready to get back to school.

There's just too many convenient coincidences to believe there wasn't any foul play involved.

People say you shouldn't entertain conspiracy theories, but Watergate, Iran-Contra, political assassinations and many other conspiracies are just some events that have happen in our history.

When you have corrupt humans involved with power and authority, conspiracies do happen.
I know what you mean.

I absolutely DO NOT want to believe that Epstein's suicide was planned for by anyone but Epstein.

But I echo AOC - "We need answers. Lots of them."
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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For political reasons they will search for every little bit of evidence hoping to find something to hurt Trump. The funny part is the stuff they find on Bill Clinton and other democrats they will try to hide or not report. It wont work
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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I think they might have been agreeing with what I said I have seen, where the flights were to other places and were legs, not flights, and so on. The sentence can be read either way, I guess, agreeing with the other poster or with me.
Doesn't matter to me whether they are entire flights or legs of flights.

They simply don't show that Clinton flew on Epstein's jet to Epstein's island or any other Epstein property.

Giuffre has said that she saw Clinton on the island, but neither she nor any other of the victims has said that they had sexual contact with Clinton.

I find it fascinating that the evidence at this point regarding both Clinton and Trump is roughly equivalent - they definitely both were seen more than once enjoying Epstein's company/hospitality and both had more than casual contact with him. None of the victims has claimed to have had sex with either one. Yet some people think that this generally similar evidence damns one and exonerates the other.

Me? I don't think nearly enough shoes have yet dropped. Not willing yet to let either of them off the hook, along with the dozens of other A-listers who partied around with, and worked on projects with, Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sure that many of those folks never had sex with Epstein's underage teenagers. I wanna know WHO DID.

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Old 08-14-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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Doesn't matter to me whether they are entire flights or legs of flights.

They simply don't show that Clinton flew on Epstein's jet to Epstein's island or any other Epstein property.

Giuffre has said that she saw Clinton on the island, but neither she nor any other of the victims has said that they had sexual contact with Clinton.

I find it fascinating that the evidence at this point regarding both Clinton and Trump is roughly equivalent - they definitely both were seen more than once enjoying Epstein's company/hospitality and both had more than casual contact with him. None of the victims has claimed to have had sex with either one. Yet some people think that this generally similar evidence damns one and exonerates the other.

Me? I don't think nearly enough shoes have yet dropped. Not willing yet to let either of them off the hook, along with the dozens of other A-listers who partied around with, and worked on projects with, Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sure that many of those folks never had sex with Epstein's underage teenagers. I wanna know WHO DID.
Oh, I know...they use the number of legs to make it seem like there were that many full flights and inflate it all. And they all went elsewhere, anyway.

It is weird to me. There is definitely evidence that both men were possibly involved. Key word possibly... It could be both, one, or neither. Other people too. I don't care who in what party. I just care if they did it. But so many try to make this partisan indeed.
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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Thanks. So what functions were going on in the picture of Trump and the woman (not a little girl) and the earlier clip that looks like in the 80's? BTW, Epstein was a guy who managed money of only those who had no less than a billion dollars. Of course Epstein was seen in public with Trump. He was probably pursuing Trump as a potential client to manage his finances since Trump's worth has, for the most part, been that.

From what I've been reading, Epstein started pimping little girls out in or around 2002. How has the Trump's relations been with Epstein from 2002 to current? How has the Clinton's relations been with Epstein from 2002 to current? Obviously Bill was more involved with Epstein during those years, he took many flights on Epstein's aircraft. The woman who was Epstein's little girl recruiter was even at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. Was any of the Trumps at that wedding?
You're trying too hard.
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:13 PM
 
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Thanks. So what functions were going on in the picture of Trump and the woman (not a little girl) and the earlier clip that looks like in the 80's? BTW, Epstein was a guy who managed money of only those who had no less than a billion dollars. Of course Epstein was seen in public with Trump. He was probably pursuing Trump as a potential client to manage his finances since Trump's worth has, for the most part, been that.

From what I've been reading, Epstein started pimping little girls out in or around 2002. How has the Trump's relations been with Epstein from 2002 to current? How has the Clinton's relations been with Epstein from 2002 to current? Obviously Bill was more involved with Epstein during those years, he took many flights on Epstein's aircraft. The woman who was Epstein's little girl recruiter was even at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. Was any of the Trumps at that wedding?
Epstein's personal interest in underaged teenagers predates 2002 by several decades. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...dalton-school/

Now just when he hit on the idea of using underaged teenagers to influence/blackmail others is yet to be determined, but if it's true that he used them to gain part of his fortune, he could well have been actively doing it by 2002.

Then of course there's this -

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Note, this means that Trump knew Epstein as early as 1987. Does this quote mean that Trump knew about or was personally involved in Epstein's sex ring? No. But it doesn't exactly indicate ignorance of Epstein's activities either.

If you're trying to use isolated observations, guesswork, hints and innuendo to make a case against Clinton, I can just as well make a case against Trump. With equal validity.

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