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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:14 PM
 
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...that's just it.....you break bones from a jolt....
Yes, a jolt big enough to break your neck. You usually need a 5-10 ft drop to break someone's neck. Where in his cell could he achieve that fall?
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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Yes, a jolt big enough to break your neck. You usually need a 5-10 ft drop to break someone's neck. Where in his cell could he achieve that fall?
People commit suicide in jails and prisons frequently. They find ways. I donít feel comfortable posting about methods though.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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IT could pause cameras on one shot.

Reportedly, both guards were asleep for three hours, so the system could be copying the same shot over and over for three hours and no one would be the wiser.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:30 PM
 
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People commit suicide in jails and prisons frequently. They find ways. I donít feel comfortable posting about methods though.
You can hang yourself in jail - you will die from strangulation. Your neck won't break. That requires a big enough fall.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Reportedly, both guards were asleep for three hours, so the system could be copying the same shot over and over for three hours and no one would be the wiser.



In movies and TV you are correct, in real life...not so much.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Did your high school friend also mention that his life was in danger, that someone was trying to kill him?

When people finally give in to suicidal ideation, there can be a sense of relief knowing that the end is near.

Whether that is the case here remains to be seen.

But the fact that he reported his life was in danger, and that the two guards watching him were both sound asleep seems suspicious to me.
Iím not disputing that the circumstances are more suspicious than lipstick on a shirt collar after hanging out with ďthe guysĒ. I was merely pointing out that right now we donít know what happened and that the people in charge of keeping him safe dropped the ball bigly.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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Epstein, "who was 6 feet tall, apparently killed himself by kneeling toward the floor and strangling himself with the makeshift noose, law enforcement sources said Monday."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/jeffre...dsheet-source/

Now just how the hell would he get "multiple broken bones" by kneeling into a noose made out of a sheet?
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Out West
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...that's just it.....you break bones from a jolt....
Why did you only quote part of my post? The rest of my post alludes to that being the "rest of the story" necessary for that particular bone to break. I put it as a question only because I'm not a medical doctor.

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On suicide watch you're given paper sheets. He was taken off suicide watch apparently, hence he would have access to sheets.
They don't get any type of sheets on suicide watch. They get some weird looking covering to wear, and that's it. They get nothing else.

No, he was no longer on suicide watch. He was in a regular cell. He did not have paper sheets in that cell. That was my point. But I keep seeing people talking about paper sheets - they don't get paper sheets in their cells.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Out West
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People commit suicide in jails and prisons frequently. They find ways. I don’t feel comfortable posting about methods though.
They aren't hanging from anything that would allow the body to dangle. There is nothing in their cells that they can suspend themselves from where the feet wouldn't be touching the floor. As I said, they can "alligator roll" themselves to asphyxiation, but they aren't hanging themselves.

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Epstein, "who was 6 feet tall, apparently killed himself by kneeling toward the floor and strangling himself with the makeshift noose, law enforcement sources said Monday."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/jeffre...dsheet-source/

Now just how the hell would he get "multiple broken bones" by kneeling into a noose made out of a sheet?
Exactly the question I was asking. You can choke yourself out, prevent yourself from breathing, but how do you get multiple broken bones from an alligator roll or leaning forward? The weight of the body doesn't drop far enough to cause that.

Again, earlier it was posted that studies showed that 6% of hangings could cause such a break, but the question I asked was: were they all actual hangings, where the body is dangling around in air? Because the weight of the body with a sudden drop could do that. Were any of those from someone just choking themselves to death? Cause that is, essentially, what they are saying that he did. So how do you get "multiple broken bones" that way?
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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This video has a great interview with a former prison guard and Sheriff's Deputy with 15 years of Law Enforcement experience discussing the process and procedures for putting a prisoner on suicide watch. No one seems to have done anything right in the Epstein case, deliberately or accidentally.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9W3cWai9ZM
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