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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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Interesting aside here...none of the MSM are digging into those 2000 pages that got released.
Lots of big names showed up..all allegations of course.
Al Gore is even named in those papers...no sexual ties to the girls though..just to Epstein.
they don't seem very interested, do they?
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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No paper sheets - his attorney got him off of suicide watch. Did you miss that reporting?
I am aware of that. I have also heard that the sheets in his cell were not strong enough to use for suicide by hanging. But apparently that's not the case. Was Epstein supposed to have been issued suicide-proof sheets but was given regular linen sheets instead? Like I said: so many questions. So few answers. But AG Barr is "appalled" and I'm sure he'll get to the bottom of this.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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No paper sheets - his attorney got him off of suicide watch. Did you miss that reporting?
Supposedly only the Chief Psychologist and Warden can take inmates off suicide watch.

This was from a former Warden who worked in 3 Federal prisons.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...icide-n1041121
But Epsteinís status was changed sometime in the last two weeks for reasons that remain unknown, officials told NBC News. Sources familiar with the case say Epstein underwent a psychiatric evaluation and the decision was made to clear him from suicide watch on or around July 29 and returned to a cell in the Special Housing Unit (SHU.) The decision would normally have to have been authorized by the jailís suicide prevention program coordinator, who is ordinarily the institutionís chief psychologist, and approved by the warden.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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Why would the coroner’s office release the body so quickly
As far as I know there is still the possibility this could be deemed a questionable death—
Not definitively suicide
So why release the body if there might be other people who want to have an autopsy by outside forensic expert???

That release so quickly in itself is reason to speculate there are nefarious aspects to this case
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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Supposedly only the Chief Psychologist and Warden can take inmates off suicide watch.

This was from a former Warden who worked in 3 Federal prisons.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...icide-n1041121
But Epsteinís status was changed sometime in the last two weeks for reasons that remain unknown, officials told NBC News. Sources familiar with the case say Epstein underwent a psychiatric evaluation and the decision was made to clear him from suicide watch on or around July 29 and returned to a cell in the Special Housing Unit (SHU.) The decision would normally have to have been authorized by the jailís suicide prevention program coordinator, who is ordinarily the institutionís chief psychologist, and approved by the warden.
If Epstein felt he was being targeted would he feel ďsaferĒ NOT on suicide watch???
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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No paper sheets - his attorney got him off of suicide watch. Did you miss that reporting?
See many have made up stories in their head -- who needs facts -- come on - that's ridiculous.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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Interesting aside here...none of the MSM are digging into those 2000 pages that got released.
Lots of big names showed up..all allegations of course.
Al Gore is even named in those papers...no sexual ties to the girls though..just to Epstein.
Interesting aside is that real journalism can take months.....and following up on 2000 pages....well, years.

I'm sure listings of the names will be displayed somewhere but that's not reporting or investigation. Epstein had LOTS of friends and people he was seen with (donated to foundations, etc.) and that all means nothing.

The first thing to consider is that 95% or more of the people who knew Epstein are guilty of nothing. Maybe 1/2 or more of the remainder are "guilty" of only overlooking things (like the majority of people do regularly)...

A few are guilty of having sex with underage females...maybe not knowing their exact age (17, for example) or maybe even being legal...as 17 might be in many places.

We eventually have to distill things down to any crimes....financial, trafficking, etc.

If it ends up ensnaring a dozen people I will be surprised.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:19 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Why would the coronerís office release the body so quickly
As far as I know there is still the possibility this could be deemed a questionable deathó
Not definitively suicide
So why release the body if there might be other people who want to have an autopsy by outside forensic expert???

That release so quickly in itself is reason to speculate there are nefarious aspects to this case
I saw that Epstein's body was released to an "unidentified associate". I would bet that it's already been cremated.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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I saw that Epstein's body was released to an "unidentified associate". I would bet that it's already been cremated.
Yup so there will be no questioning now what comes out from the autopsy.
No one can question it..the body is gone.

All is left now is speculation which we all know can be brushed off...tin foil hat, conspiracy nuts, etc.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Especially from a low height. The weight of the body has to drop with enough force to sever the brain from the spine with a snap. No bunk bed is high enough.

A properly done hanging (and it can be tricky) will snap the neck. If not done right the victim dangles pitiably and strangles, a much longer (and more agonizing) process, jerking and kicking.

If I recall correctly some of the Germans sentenced to death at Nuremberg died by strangulation because the hanging procedures were faulty, and of course some of the many hundreds of victims of Hitler's purge after the 20 July plot were deliberately hung in a way to strangle slowly, from hooks. Hitler had these executions filmed, for his viewing pleasure.



He suffocated. The bones(adams apple) and other bones were broken from pressure applied. Not a sudden jerk.
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