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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Supposedly only the Chief Psychologist and Warden can take inmates off suicide watch.

This was from a former Warden who worked in 3 Federal prisons.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...icide-n1041121
But Epstein’s status was changed sometime in the last two weeks for reasons that remain unknown, officials told NBC News. Sources familiar with the case say Epstein underwent a psychiatric evaluation and the decision was made to clear him from suicide watch on or around July 29 and returned to a cell in the Special Housing Unit (SHU.) The decision would normally have to have been authorized by the jail’s suicide prevention program coordinator, who is ordinarily the institution’s chief psychologist, and approved by the warden.
If Epstein felt he was being targeted would he feel “safer” NOT on suicide watch???
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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No paper sheets - his attorney got him off of suicide watch. Did you miss that reporting?
See many have made up stories in their head -- who needs facts -- come on - that's ridiculous.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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Interesting aside here...none of the MSM are digging into those 2000 pages that got released.
Lots of big names showed up..all allegations of course.
Al Gore is even named in those papers...no sexual ties to the girls though..just to Epstein.
Interesting aside is that real journalism can take months.....and following up on 2000 pages....well, years.

I'm sure listings of the names will be displayed somewhere but that's not reporting or investigation. Epstein had LOTS of friends and people he was seen with (donated to foundations, etc.) and that all means nothing.

The first thing to consider is that 95% or more of the people who knew Epstein are guilty of nothing. Maybe 1/2 or more of the remainder are "guilty" of only overlooking things (like the majority of people do regularly)...

A few are guilty of having sex with underage females...maybe not knowing their exact age (17, for example) or maybe even being legal...as 17 might be in many places.

We eventually have to distill things down to any crimes....financial, trafficking, etc.

If it ends up ensnaring a dozen people I will be surprised.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:19 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Why would the coroner’s office release the body so quickly
As far as I know there is still the possibility this could be deemed a questionable death—
Not definitively suicide
So why release the body if there might be other people who want to have an autopsy by outside forensic expert???

That release so quickly in itself is reason to speculate there are nefarious aspects to this case
I saw that Epstein's body was released to an "unidentified associate". I would bet that it's already been cremated.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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I saw that Epstein's body was released to an "unidentified associate". I would bet that it's already been cremated.
Yup so there will be no questioning now what comes out from the autopsy.
No one can question it..the body is gone.

All is left now is speculation which we all know can be brushed off...tin foil hat, conspiracy nuts, etc.
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Old 08-16-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Especially from a low height. The weight of the body has to drop with enough force to sever the brain from the spine with a snap. No bunk bed is high enough.

A properly done hanging (and it can be tricky) will snap the neck. If not done right the victim dangles pitiably and strangles, a much longer (and more agonizing) process, jerking and kicking.

If I recall correctly some of the Germans sentenced to death at Nuremberg died by strangulation because the hanging procedures were faulty, and of course some of the many hundreds of victims of Hitler's purge after the 20 July plot were deliberately hung in a way to strangle slowly, from hooks. Hitler had these executions filmed, for his viewing pleasure.



He suffocated. The bones(adams apple) and other bones were broken from pressure applied. Not a sudden jerk.
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Old 08-16-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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And without the sheet, which supposedly is made from paper, not tearing. So many questions. So few answers.
DOJ has yet to publicly release any information related to the 7/23 incident.

At this point, most inf is based on hearsay, speculation and opinion.

People believe anything that seems to validate and reinforce their perceptions.

Guy knew serious thousands of people all over the world. Zero certainty he would have ever testified, let alone been honest in his testimony if he did. His death is meaningless.

Anyone who engaged with underage girls on any Epstein property will never sleep easy. No one knows if Epstein secretly taped the action. Tapes could be stored anywhere in the world. There could be multiple copies of tapes. No one knows who might have control over the tapes. And no one knows if or when tapes could be released and authenticated.

His death was meaningless beyond that the courts can’t prosecute a dead guy and cannot siege/ keep his assets. Those assets will be subject to civil suits.
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Old 08-16-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Epstein was not short....he's 6 ft tall
Reportedly 6’ and 175 pounds.
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Old 08-16-2019, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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He suffocated. The bones(adams apple) and other bones were broken from pressure applied. Not a sudden jerk.
Exactly what would occur if someone tightly tied a "noose" around their neck such as a bed sheet and then fell out of bed with the other end tied to the bed somehow.

The creep offed himself the same way Ariel Castro did.
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Old 08-16-2019, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Not only that, he survives a "suicide" just a few weeks earlier, and the powers that be decided to take him off of suicide watch. That in itself is curious.

And, I agree with others, Barr is just as responsible. He should have had an independent council or security team hand picked to watch the guy. Amazing, same prison system kept El Chapo alive, but not this guy.
There has been no official investigative conclusion about the 7/23 incident. Was it an attempted suicide or something else? Regardless of whatever is released, many will not believe it.

Only thing certain, neither Barr nor his appointed acting guy in charge of federal prisons did everything within their power to protect Epstein from himself or others.

Can they spin this such to blame the warden who acted on his own?
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