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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-16-2019, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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Originally Posted by SFBayBoomer View Post
"At autopsy, fractures of the hyoid bone or thyroid cartilage, or both, are found in more than 50% of suicidal hangings," according to a large imaging study of suicide victims, most of whom are much younger than Epstein, therefore, their hyoid bones are less likely to fracture than someone older

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27687828

Epstein was 66 years old, and the elderly are more likely to suffer hyoid bone fractures, etc. in suicidal hanging.

"Had Jeffrey Epstein been only twice as old as his teenage victims, his hyoid bone would have remained so flexible that a fracture would have been a much stronger indication he had been strangled.

But at 66, the U-shaped bone between his chin and his Adamís apple likely would have become so brittle with age that it also could have been broken by hanging".

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-on...id-bone-proves
I accept this argument.
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Old 08-16-2019, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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The definition of a pedophile is one who seeks sex with prepubescent children. Thus far, nothing suggests any of the victims were " little girls" No one snatched them out of their beds at night. All agreed to engage in exchange for payment. Most returned again and again.

Many men prefer teen girls to more age-appropriate women. Only things that stops them from pursuing are fear of getting caught and most teen girls have no interest in older guys. I like to think most teen girls would not agree to give massages older guys, in exchange for $ hundreds.

Not much has been disclosed about the family life of the victims. Did anyone not notice their kid or sister was being picked up by private care and sometimes disappeared for weeks at a time. Were some runaways?

Nothing thus far suggests any of these teens were held against their will or were forced to perform acts or engage with partners not to their liking. Those who were willing to engage were popular and likely made more money than those who did not. Some became recruiters of other teens.

I am in no way defending the POS or any who chose to engage.
This is perhaps why the Feds seem to focus on transport across State lines and borders for the purpose of sexual relations.

I am more curious about the fact there were so many young women who likely didn't use any protection during sex. Surely, there must be at least one Jr out there who stands to gain a fortune if the mother steps forward.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Or perhaps the New York City Coroner's office is just as susceptible to corruption as so much of the rest of government across our country is.
More than likely. Like, how many times do we keep hearing unarmed Black men being shot by the cops, and they almost always get away with it. And judging by all the thumbs down on the MSM pages on youtube, looks like more people are not buying the official story, than those who are. Makes me happy to see we don't have so many sheep that believe everything the government tells them.

And you have to be a complete idiot to believe the crap story about "oh, he's 66 years old so his bones are all brittle at that age". Go to a rodeo or a ranch and watch how many elderly can be thrown from their horses, or trampled by a steer and have no broken bones. It's just not possible for a broken neck to happen, at all, with the way they claim he hung himself. It's all a giant, bs story, and anybody who is trying to defend this thing should be ashamed of themselves.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Sigh...

One needn't hang from a long distance in order to die from "hanging".

Robin Williams committed suicide by hanging himself with a belt from a doorknob. According to the coroner's report, which is online, Williams was found in a seated position on the floor.

Kate Spade hanged herself with a scarf on a doorknob in her apartment.

Anthony Bourdain hanged himself with his bathrobe belt in the hotel bathroom where he was staying.
Yup, this happens, it's a well-known method.

More like death by strangulation than death by snapped neck as in a 'hang'em high' scenario.

But just as effective.

I will say you have to be pretty darned determined to die if you do it by strangling yourself. Imagine NOT trying to get that belt or whatever off your neck. But people obviously manage it.

Did he have help? I can think of certain kinds of help in this situation that would not be evident on autopsy. But unless we get some evidence of that, suicide seems like the correct call.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Has Barr finished Epstein's suicide note yet? Anyone know?
At this point, the way how even Trump, who usually can't stop tweeting about anything, and the majority of congress as well, have been uncharacteristically quiet about this whole thing.
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Old 08-17-2019, 01:44 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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First of all it was just Monica and Bill...no others involved.
Second, Monica was of legal age.

You are comparing a sex scandal with one man to a global pedo ring involving many people of power.
And you notice how the same ones focusing upon Clinton ignore all the reported attacks upon at least 20 women by the escapee-in-Chief, including at least one girl at Epstein's events, having done something with more than once.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:12 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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Yes, very curious. So little info being given out. I'm extremely skeptical by nature. I never buy into conspiracy theories. But it just smells fishy to me the way this case is being handled.
It feels funny to me also, the way it's being handled and what is being told, feeling that there is something big going on under he surface.
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Old 08-17-2019, 05:44 AM
 
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It feels funny to me also, the way it's being handled and what is being told, feeling that there is something big going on under he surface.
The only facts here are: Epstein is dead. His death was by manner of hanging. Since his cell was un-monitored for 3 hours, someone could have put that sheet around his neck and forced him (Bill Clinton for example or someone he hired) to choke Epstein to death. You don't know what occurred after...did they clean up the evidence? what else? No cameras, no guards. (3 hours to do it) ..seems planned somehow...plenty of time do something to Epstein.. This is very suspicious. The only thing the coroner has correct is that he died by hanging. She/he can't know if he did it or someone went in there and did it. What a clean, tidy job!
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Old 08-17-2019, 05:56 AM
 
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Those who commit suicide via leaning into a noose tied to a door knob or other lower structure supposedly lose consciousness when the blood flow to the brain is restricted. After that, it can take up to twenty minutes to die from lack of oxygen.

I'm not seeing where broken bones are part of this scenario.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:41 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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The only facts here are: Epstein is dead. His death was by manner of hanging. Since his cell was un-monitored for 3 hours, someone could have put that sheet around his neck and forced him (Bill Clinton for example or someone he hired) to choke Epstein to death. You don't know what occurred after...did they clean up the evidence? what else? No cameras, no guards. (3 hours to do it) ..seems planned somehow...plenty of time do something to Epstein.. This is very suspicious. The only thing the coroner has correct is that he died by hanging. She/he can't know if he did it or someone went in there and did it. What a clean, tidy job!
You like to point to Bill Clinton but the Manhattan Correctional Center is under the control of Donald Trump's Department of Justice which is headed by Donald Trump's Attorney General William Barr. If there's any foul play here it's much more likely it came from Donald Trump than Bill Clinton.
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