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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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To you maybe. But I think Prince Andrew is breathing a sigh of relief that this is all over now.
The Prince Andrew thing has been “ out there” for years.

No one who engaged with underage girls on any of Epstein’s properties can ever sleep well. If there are tapes that can be authenticated......

Thinking Epstein might have gotten a kick out of releasing x number tapes on the anniversary of his death for decades. Can you imagine?
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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The Prince Andrew thing has been “ out there” for years.

No one who engaged with underage girls on any of Epstein’s properties can ever sleep well. If there are tapes that can be authenticated......

Thinking Epstein might have gotten a kick out of releasing x number tapes on the anniversary of his death for decades. Can you imagine?
I think they got any kill switches Epstein had.
He's been running loose for how many years now since that slap on the wrist ?

For all we know he may have been the last loose end. Maxwell hasn't been seen since 2016.
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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I can just imagine Bill Clinton greeting the pilot of the plane on his 27th plane trip to Epstein's Island. Clinton says to the pilot: "Today, my name is Ricky Smith"

Pilot: "Okay, cool Ricky"

These rich folks along with lying Bill Clinton could have boarded that plane many times under fictitious names and who is going to squeal?

I think pilot of the plane should start talking...the things we could hear!
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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To all you folks thinking the Lolita Express went to the island....there is no landing strip for a plane on that island.
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Old 08-17-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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Those who commit suicide via leaning into a noose tied to a door knob or other lower structure supposedly lose consciousness when the blood flow to the brain is restricted. After that, it can take up to twenty minutes to die from lack of oxygen.

I'm not seeing where broken bones are part of this scenario.



Ditto ..


Having been involved in emergency medicine at a technical level for nearly 30 years ... early on we are trained to look at the MOI or mechanism of injury. This generally relates to car crashes, falls where energy is transferred from a source to the body and from one part of the body to another. For instance, if you jump from a roof, say 15 feet, to the ground and land on your feet, not only could your ankles break but so could your knees, your hips and there could be spinal cord injury as the energy of impact is transferred through the bones.


Anyway, tying a sheet or cord around your neck and to a relatively low object like a bed rail or door knob or clothes bar in a closet, then sitting down to tighten the noose is a valid way to suffocate your self. In general, there are two carotid arteries in the neck supplying blood to the brain. These two arteries on each side of the cricoid cartilage (Adams apple). People who exercise or have learned CPR in the past know to check for a pulse or pulse rate there. A moderate amount of pressure on both carotid arteries will shut off blood to the brain and cause unconscious, usually within 10-15 seconds. Once you black out you will not wake up if the blood flow is not returned. Within a few minutes you die of suffocation/lack of circulation of oxygen to the brain.


None of this is likely to provide enough energy/trauma/force to break several bones in the neck. I am not saying it is impossible. Some people may go into spasms and jerk involuntarily. Depending on the length of the noose and the weight of the person, just sliding/semi-falling into a sitting position could exert some of the forces necessary to break bones.


The hyoid bone is a small, fragile bone. Cervical bones are irregularly shaped with various openings and protrusions. They could break in a lot of different ways from simple closed fractures to being shattered.


There are a lot of things going on here but that does not stop it from being suspicious.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:15 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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There are some things that seem 'fishy to me.


Why did they wait until after he was dead to raid his private island? At least one account noted a lot of people (who knows who they were) had been coming and going for weeks since Epstein had been jailed allegedly carrying off various things.


As far as the hanging and all the talk about broken bones ... Its one thing if you have a rope around your neck and drop 8 or 10 feet. Its something else if you have wide bed sheets wrapped around your neck and drop from 2 or 3 feet. I say this because its been reported he hung himself in his cell with bed sheets. I am not sure how high the ceiling is in a jail cell but I assume a normal height of 8 to 10 feet. If you are 6 foot tall, it would be hard to drop more than 2 or 3 feet. I guess bed sheets might be ripped and braided to be more rope like, but still, the forces involved could be presumed to be substantially less than the old west gallows hanging. A very uneducated guess would lead me to lean more toward strangulation than trauma (e.g. broken bones) unless there were other forces involved. I think all this talk about a broken hyoid bone is just happenstance and could have occurred in most any scenario. It is mainly just something to fill time on the evening news.



Who knew?
That Suicide Watch, involved popcorn & hoagies.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:28 PM
 
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While I do think Epstein's suicide is incredibly "convenient", the New York Times did have a really interesting article today on his last days in prison. He hated being in his jail cell so much (the cells have rodents and cockroaches) that he would hire his lawyers to come in for twelve hours a day so he could spend that time in a meeting room with vending machines outside for snacks.

And Trump's goal of shrinking government has meant that prisons across the country are incredibly short-staffed. There were only 18 guards that night for 750 prisoners and ten of them were working overtime/double shifts. The combination of very few guards, most of which were beyond exhausted, left a spoiled rich man alone long enough to where it's possible he did indeed do it to himself.

When he was put on suicide watch, they put him in a small room, naked with nothing on but a thick smock, the lights are dim at best (no darkness) and meeting with therapists. So as much as he hated his cell, he didn't like suicide watch either. Anyway, very interesting article that would make a believable ending in the likely miniseries that will result from all this.

Inmate 76318-054: The Last Days of Jeffrey Epstein
The notorious jail in Manhattan was a sharp departure from his formerly gilded life. Here’s what happened inside.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/17/n...gtype=Homepage
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:38 PM
 
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Exclamation Cement Truck with $100,000 in cement....

Jeffrey Epstein Reportedly Express-Shipped $100,000 Cement Truck To His Private Island Weeks Before Damning Exposé


A new report states that convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein express-shipped a $100,000 cement-mixing truck to his private island in the Caribbean. The revelation is newsworthy because Epstein shipped the cement mixer only weeks before the exposé that ultimately led to his arrest was published.

On November 28, 2018, the Miami Herald’s a damning series of articles titled “Perversion of Justice” that exposed the Epstein’s abuse of underage girls, identified nearly 80 victims and questioned the motives of why the wealthy man with ties to financial, political and cultural elites was given such lenient sentences in his prior convictions.

The Daily Mail report states that Epstein took responsibility for any damage to the cement truck in transit by paying upfront so that it would arrive even sooner. Epstein sent the machine with an Express Bill Of Lading, an unusual and expensive way of shipping an item so that it arrives quickly according to the Daily Mail.

William George, an analyst with shipping data firm Import Genius, told Daily Mail: “While the purchase of the cement mixer on its own is not suspicious, particularly given the reported and approved repair of cisterns on Little St. James, both the timing of the shipment and the fact that it’s the item in our records shipped with an express bill of lading do raise concerns.”

https://brobible.com/culture/article...-cement-truck/
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Old 08-17-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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To all you folks thinking the Lolita Express went to the island....there is no landing strip for a plane on that island.
^ appears to be true. One or more helicopters were used to shuttle guests from St Thomas and St Croix.

Ghislaine Maxwell was often in the pilot’s seat.
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Old 08-17-2019, 04:32 PM
 
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Who knew?
That Suicide Watch, involved popcorn & hoagies.
Crept he had not been on Suicide Watch since the end on July.
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