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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I just read that he will lead the Reentry Services Division.
Yes, he former position. His days as “ acting” director are over.
He might be relieved.
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It’s not just my perception. There have been some leaks as I have said. Your job seems be to come in here and gaslight anybody who doesn’t fully believe an “official narrative”, which I have seen you do before on different occasions on different topics. Now of course I don’t know for certain what happened to this guy, that should go without saying, but I am hardly the only person in the room who doesn’t believe he killed himself. I see that as the probable conspiracy, betting man that I am, regardless of what the professional liars on TV say.
I was not there. I don’t know. I am comfortable suspending judgment. I don’t easily accept unidentified sources of click bait.

I do believe his death was meaningless. No certainty he would have ever testified or been honest if he did. The masses would have been more likely to believe / disbelieve him based on who he fingered.

Anyone who engaged with underaged girls on Epstein’s properties will never sleep well, not because of guilt. Rather, concern that there are tapes that might be released today, next week, next year or in ten years.

The battle over his estate will be interesting.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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I was not there. I don’t know. I am comfortable suspending judgment. I don’t easily accept unidentified sources of click bait.

I do believe his death was meaningless. No certainty he would have ever testified or been honest if he did. The masses would have been more likely to believe / disbelieve him based on who he fingered.

Anyone who engaged with underaged girls on Epstein’s properties will never sleep well, not because of guilt. Rather, concern that there are tapes that might be released today, next week, next year or in ten years.

The battle over his estate will be interesting.
It will drag out in the courts for years.
The only ones that will get rich will be the lawyers when all is said and done.
He put some caveats in his will regarding anyone who contests it.
Odd timing that NY changed their laws at just the right time to eliminate the statute of limitations.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It will drag out in the courts for years.
The only ones that will get rich will be the lawyers when all is said and done.
He put some caveats in his will regarding anyone who contests it.
Odd timing that NY changed their laws at just the right time to eliminate the statute of limitations.
Imagine “ victims” will be coming out of the woodwork with civil suits. Some of them will be fake and attempt to collaborate eachother’s stories, diminishing the real victims.

The law firms that defend the Epstein trust have the most to gain. Their Billings will be charged to the trust.

Reportedly, it was Epstein’s defense team that pushed for eliminating the Suicide Watch. Then again, so much unconfirmed BS has been written about everything surrounding Epstein’s death, it’s impossible to know what’s real.

It’s rare for clickbait promoters of conspiracy to retract/ correct unless ordered by a court to do so. Even then...
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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It will drag out in the courts for years.
The only ones that will get rich will be the lawyers when all is said and done.
He put some caveats in his will regarding anyone who contests it.
Odd timing that NY changed their laws at just the right time to eliminate the statute of limitations.
Maybe...

Prosecutor Recommends Case Against Jeffrey Epstein be Dismissed

Allison Moe, Alex Rossmiller, and Maurene Comey, assistant U.S. attorneys in the Southern District of New York, filed papers in the district on Aug. 19 (pdf) asking U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman to drop the case against Epstein.

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“Because Jeffrey Epstein, the defendant, died while this case was pending, and therefore before a final judgment was issued, the Indictment must be dismissed under the rule of abatement,” the prosecutors wrote, citing the 1998 court decision in United States v. Wright.

Berman said that he agreed with the recommendation, sending the documents to U.S. District Judge Richard Berman.

“Upon the foregoing recommendation, I hereby direct, with leave of the Court, that an order of nolle prosequi be filed as to defendant Jeffrey Epstein,” Berman wrote.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:17 AM
 
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Imagine “ victims” will be coming out of the woodwork with civil suits. Some of them will be fake and attempt to collaborate eachother’s stories, diminishing the real victims.

The law firms that defend the Epstein trust have the most to gain. Their Billings will be charged to the trust.

Reportedly, it was Epstein’s defense team that pushed for eliminating the Suicide Watch. Then again, so much unconfirmed BS has been written about everything surrounding Epstein’s death, it’s impossible to know what’s real.

It’s rare for clickbait promoters of conspiracy to retract/ correct unless ordered by a court to do so. Even then...
Yet the rules are that both the Warden/Chief Psychologist have to sign off before a prisoner is taken off suicide watch.

Flood the media with loads of unconfirmed information, photoshopped pictures, etc. and people will just stop paying attention because they just won't believe any of it.

That photoshopped picture of Maxwell that the NYPost had was "sold" to them by Maxwell's friend Saffian who has refused to talk to anyone. It was a digital photo and the metadata had all that information. Pretty sad when a foreign rag is outing the NY Post.

It's called obsfucation, misinformation, disinformation.
Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

But there hasn't been a good public conspiracy like this in a long time.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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You're fired.

Barr removes prisons chief after Epstein death


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Former MCC inmate: There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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He wasn't fired. He got reassigned.

Nobody has been fired over this.
Warden reassigned.
Chief reassigned.
Guards on paid leave with union blaming Trump.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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History 2015...

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Old 08-20-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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He wasn't fired. He got reassigned.
I understand. It sounds Trumpian - so I went with it, but yes you are correct.
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