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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
Voters: 429. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-10-2019, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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This is a bit incriminating about trump

https://radaronline.com/wp-content/u...d4FuuVXdZUkly4
Oh my.

Don't be surprised if Ms Katie Johnson dies unexpectedly sometime in the near future.
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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This is the way I see it. Good riddance.
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:33 PM
 
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I'm reading that Epstein was taken off of suicide watch. This would make my earliest assumption correct, that someone created favorable conditions for him to off himself.
Many that voted Yes have expressed the same concerns, meaning they also agree many wanted him dead.
It would skew the vote closer actually to mean that many more agree how corrupt our system is.
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Why are you trying to blame all this on the AG ?

Do you mean Barr ? If so Barr recused himself from the Epstein case on 7/8/2019.
Barr is head of the DOJ, which is in charge of federal prisons.

Barr is definitely in the hot seat on this one, whether or not he had any direct contact with Epstein and/or Epstein's case. Because he's the guy in charge.

Barr, being Barr, will soon make sure that someone else is also in the hot seat (hot bench?).
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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Barr is head of the DOJ, which is in charge of federal prisons.

Barr is definitely in the hot seat on this one, whether or not he had any direct contact with Epstein and/or Epstein's case.

Barr, being Barr, will soon make sure that someone else is also in the hot seat (hot bench?).
Good Lord.

I'd call in the Warden and the Chief Psychologist to find out what happened.
Those are the 2 direct people responsible for Epstein.

Barr is far removed from this while the Warden and Chief Psychologist are physically there and personally responsible.

Do you think they called up Barr to ask his permission to take Epstein off suicide watch ?
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:39 PM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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With Epstein dead, more records can be opened. He can no longer fight it, and he was never going to admit to wrongdoing.
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I hope you are right but I fear there are too many powerful people involved in this that will end any investigation
Yet it feels similar to when tRUMP firing FBI Chief Comey made him think it would then prevent him from being further investigated.

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Old 08-10-2019, 05:40 PM
 
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Yet it feels similar to when tRUMP firing FBI Chief Comey would prevent him from being further investigated.
Does your TDS ever go in vacation?
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:40 PM
 
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Prison guards said he was originally put in the central population because they already have from him what they want..
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:41 PM
 
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All surveillance had been disabled I just heard on the news.
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Out West
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IF this is an actual suicide, the guards were paid to look the other way.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...atch-work.html

What happens when an inmate is put on suicide watch?

He’s put in an observation room and kept away from dangerous objects. Suicide watch is mostly designed to prevent hanging, which is far and away the most common suicide method in prisons and hospitals. An observation room might have little more than a mattress on the floor. Any stray bits of fabric could be used as a noose: Some states make sure the inmate sleeps with an extra-thick blanket that can’t be tied or torn into strips. In extreme cases, a prisoner may be undressed and given a paper gown.

Even if a suicidal prisoner does manage to tie something around his neck, he won’t be able to hang himself unless he has somewhere to tie the other end. Rooms are designed without any protrusions from the ceiling, walls, or furniture. Window cages, sprinkler heads, and bunk handles all pose problems. Even bars set low to the ground could be dangerous—an inmate might get on his knees and strangle himself by thrusting his weight forward all at once.

Many suicide-watch rooms have 24-hour video surveillance, but prison staff must also perform routine, in-person checks. Depending on the level of risk—as determined by prison psychiatrists—nurses or corrections officers might drop by once per half-hour or 15 minutes on average. (Staffers mix up the schedule so the prisoner doesn’t know when they’re coming.) At each visit, the prison employee should verify that the inmate is alive and breathing and then mark their observations on a timesheet. Some institutions—including the Federal Bureau of Prisons—have made fellow inmates responsible for these checks. One recent study found that “inmate observers” were more effective than authority figures at calming down a prisoner on suicide watch. (Using inmate observers also saves the prison a lot of money.)

Intermittent checks may not give staffers enough time to stop a suicide attempt, since it takes only four or five minutes to hang yourself. In some states, inmates deemed to be at “acute risk” are given continuous supervision—someone is watching them every minute of every day. This designation is typically reserved for those who seem both inclined to commit suicide and temporarily unable to control their actions. In a hospital setting, the most extreme situations may call for a “sitter” who will remain within arm’s reach of the patient for the duration of the watch.

If the suicide-watch system fails, a prison may be liable for civil damages. The institution must have a reasonable method for assessing risk and preventing self-injury. For example, relevant members of the prison staff should have sufficient training to deal with a suicide attempt. They should also make a concerted effort to keep dangerous objects out of the hands of the inmates.
This is exactly what happens when an inmate is on suicide watch. Now, imagine that the inmate is someone like Epstein? You think they were going to do 15 minute check ins? No. Way. They would have had someone sit there and watch him the entire time.

THIS is why I do not believe that he committed suicide.

Maybe people should be watching for any changes in the lives of the guards who work at that prison.

Edit: Not only was that article correct, from Slate, what they didn't mention is that when an inmate has attempted suicide or to hurt himself, a guard will be positioned right in front of their cell, to watch them the entire time.

Since Epstein previously "attempted suicide" (we were told), then a guard should have been sitting in chair, directly in front of his cell, staring at him the entire time. When that guard was on lunch or going home, another would take over. And you have to fill in a log book every 15 minutes detailing what the inmate has been doing.
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