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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Listener2307 View Post
With Epstein dead, more records can be opened. He can no longer fight it, and he was never going to admit to wrongdoing.
He may be dead, but his history is now more vulnerable that he is dead.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:16 AM
Location: Great Britain
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Why wasn't Epstein on suicide watch and why did he have access to items to hang himself with given his previous attempt, and why was he not put in a special cell with no ligature points and under constant supervision.

There was the famous case of Roberto Calvi, who was found hanging under Blackfriars Bridge in London in 1982, for decades it was deemed a suicide, however it was later all but admitted by Italian organised crime that he was murdered, as Calvi known as 'Gods Banker' because he was banker to the Vatican, had been accused of stealing millions being laundered on behalf of the Italian mafia.

Mafia boss breaks silence over Roberto Calvi killing | UK news | The Guardian
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:21 AM
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Epstein just tried to commit suicide three weeks earlier and then is taken off suicide watch? I call bs on that! Then conveniently they didn't do their checks? Epstien not only previously tried to kill himself but was a high profile prisoner. He is not your regular run of the mill perp. Let me tell you if I was a guard I would have been all over that like white on rice. I am not a fan of conspiracy theories but this stinks to holy high heaven.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:24 AM
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There are stories out there that Epstein had been moved and the person found hanged is someone else. Sounds far fetched but I never thought the FBI collision could be true and that turned out to be shockingly true!
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:40 AM
Location: New Jersey
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"Another One Bites The Dust" seems like anyone associated with our President is dust!
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:46 AM
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981 View Post
I agree with this too. In the end, it probably doesn't really matter. This was inevitable.
I agree that Epstein's death was inevitable. The guy wouldn't have lived for very long in any prison unless he was housed in a highly watched cellblock. He would have been a target for as long as he lived, and in prison, there's always plenty of time to plan anything.

This is one of those rare instances where anyone's thoughts about it are just as possible as anyone else's.

There are plenty of very powerful people who could have valid reasons to want Epstein dead, and they're in both of our political parties.

There are others as politically powerful who are in other countries in different regions and different continents who could want him dead.

There are internationally powerful financial people who could want him dead.
There are poor families all over the world who could want him dead.
There are criminals who could want him dead.
There are law officers who could want him dead.
There are close friends who could want him dead.
Enemies who could want him dead.
Lots of young women who could want him dead.
Lawyers who could want him dead.
Debtors who could want him dead.
Locals and onlookers who lived near him could want him dead.
Other pedophiles who could want him dead.

Total strangers who know next to nothing about him could want him dead.

The only thing that's doubtful to me is who would want Epstein to go free and stay alive.

Everyone in the world has a young girl they want to protect in their lives at some time. All young girls want to protect themselves too. Stealing a young girl and using her sexually is the worst, most offensive crime there is.

Epstein spent his life doing the one thing anyone connected to it could want to kill him for doing.
And he did it for well over 40 years, all over the world. That's a hell of a lot of people who could want him killed!

I tend to think Epstein killed himself.

He was 66, and the *** was up. All his cover was blown.
Even if he could have gotten away, he would not have lived for very long and he knew it, and he lost all his access to his money, so there was no good way out for him.

Better to kill yourself first than waiting around for someone else to show up and do it.

When death is inevitable, all anyone wants is a good death. For Jeffrey Epstein, any other choice would be very bad death.

I tend to think he wanted to leave a huge black hole behind as his legacy. It was the only thing he had left.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:19 AM
Location: Great Britain
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There were a number of suspicious auto-erotic deaths and suicides in Britain over the years with rumours and allegations being made in relation to MI5, Russia and other foreign security services.

It also seems that you don't mess with the Clintons and the last person to make public allegations about the Royal Family was Princess Diana, indeed James
Andanson who was closely linked to Dianas death was found dead in a black, burnt-out BMW in a forest near the town of Nant, near Millau, in the south of France in 2000. Andanson's death was attributed to suicide, he apparently committed suicide by setting alight to his own car and hole in his left temple was caused by the intense heat of the fire rather than, say for example, a bullet wound.

Photographer accused of helping MI6 kill Diana was found dead in in burnt-out BMW with a hole in his head - London Evening Standard (2008)

Did MI5 murder Stephen Milligan? - Daily Mail

Dr David Kelly: 10 years on, death of scientist remains unresolved for some - The Guardian

'Spy in bag' Gareth Williams was 'murdered by Russian hitmen after sexual photo blackmail plot' - The Telegraph

Written evidence from the UK Parliament - it should be noted that the SAS team with a licence to kill are officially known as E Squadron (the Increment), other shadowy units include the Joint Support Group and the Special Reconnaissance Regiment, which was 14 Intelligence Company (The Det) was itself the successor to the Military Reaction Force (MRF).

Joint Support Group - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by UK Parliament

Though "C", the head of the MI5 has been traditionally able to call on the services of the SAS and the "Increment", a small special forces unit dedicated to secret intelligence, an ever increasing number of covert and potentially politically explosive operations required the use of contracted "retired" officers operating within commercial paramilitary companies; organized crime assets or even "friendly" foreign intelligence agencies such as Mossad. The SIS has now apparently decided, presumably with full approval of the Joint Intelligence Committee and the Cabinet Office, that it must have its own operatives to do much of the "dirty work" in future. In common with their colleagues at the CIA, the senior management at Vauxhall Cross are now busily returning the service to the bad old days of "political action" and assassination as the official, though of course deniable, policy for dealing with external threats.

Contacts within the Intelligence communities both in the UK and the US strongly advised AFI Research not to run this piece on assassination. However, we consider that such a response merely gave added credence to the suggestion that in the future the British authorities may indeed be prepared to use more "positive" methods, under certain circumstances, in dealing with both external and very probably, internal "enemies of the state". It now seem almost certain, therefore, that a limited number of selected and highly trained M16 officers have once again been given a "license to kill", and perhaps very largely because of the experience and influence of the Israeli secret service.

House of Commons - Foreign Affairs - Written Evidence - Parliament

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Old 08-11-2019, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Tominftl View Post
Didn’t Epstein and Trump hang out? He may have had something on Trump. We’ll never know now!
Trump may have been paying Epstein for information.

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Old 08-11-2019, 06:03 AM
Location: Chicago Area
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Originally Posted by Drewjdeg View Post
I'm only asking for the source of the "cameras malfunctioned" bit. Yes, obviously his death is suspicious, but the FBI could be reviewing the tapes right now. You don't know that they don't have security footage.
It's one of many things we've heard bouncing around. The larger point is that we have no idea what happened and everyone who does know has mostly gone radio silent.

Here's what we can say with absolute confidence. Jeffrey Epstein should have been on round-the-clock observation complete with cameras and on suicide watch. It should have been completely impossible for him to hang himself and it should have been impossible for anyone else to strangle him. Everything with which he could have harmed himself in any way should have been removed from the equation. That's how suicide watch in a prison actually works. If any of that wasn't happening, then it amounts to criminal and willful negligence. You need to start looking for people coming into sudden monetary windfalls if they were anywhere close to Epstein. Look for staff whose families could be threatened. If the prison staff did their jobs correctly, Epstein wouldn't have been "suicided" even once, much less twice.

The worst of it is that everyone pretty much knew Epstein was as good as dead. It just sucks when your expectations of seeing the worst and most corrupt outcomes actually come true.
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Old 08-11-2019, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010 View Post
Everyone working in that part of the prison absolutely does know with 100% certainty. They know whether he was or was not on suicide watch. They know whether there were cameras, which we were indeed told "malfunctioned." Why does the story keep changing when there are people who know exactly what happened? Even if it's a guard that was paid a cool $50K to "take a bathroom break" or another guard was paid to take him off suicide watch, somebody definitely knows. The fact that the facts seem to be so mangled says a lot.

This stinks to high heaven.
It was "Clintoncide!"

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