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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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He had a Saudi passport in his safe
not exactly
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: New Brunswick
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It may be a conspiracy theory but I feel that Trump indirectly engineered Epstein's death.

After all with Trump there's no such things as friendship. There's only deals, deals and more deals.

Epstein likely knew something that Trump didn't want to be made known.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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They raided Epstein's homes and got boxes upon boxes of photos, tapes, papers, etc.
The guy had hidden audio/video camera's in all the bedrooms.
He had a Saudi passport in his safe along with cash and lose diamonds.

Epstein probably had more dirt than anyone knew with those secret cameras.
He was a dead man walking the day they put him into prison.
How much did they miss? How much of the evidence that they got is about to disappear by some freak accident?

If powerful people can get him in that federal prison, I think that they can get to any evidence repository in the world without much trouble.

The man would have to be crazy to not have a foolproof dead man's switch contingency.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I agree that Epstein's death was inevitable. The guy wouldn't have lived for very long in any prison unless he was housed in a highly watched cellblock. He would have been a target for as long as he lived, and in prison, there's always plenty of time to plan anything.

This is one of those rare instances where anyone's thoughts about it are just as possible as anyone else's.

There are plenty of very powerful people who could have valid reasons to want Epstein dead, and they're in both of our political parties.

There are others as politically powerful who are in other countries in different regions and different continents who could want him dead.

There are internationally powerful financial people who could want him dead.
There are poor families all over the world who could want him dead.
There are criminals who could want him dead.
There are law officers who could want him dead.
There are close friends who could want him dead.
Enemies who could want him dead.
Lots of young women who could want him dead.
Lawyers who could want him dead.
Debtors who could want him dead.
Locals and onlookers who lived near him could want him dead.
Other pedophiles who could want him dead.

Total strangers who know next to nothing about him could want him dead.

The only thing that's doubtful to me is who would want Epstein to go free and stay alive.

Everyone in the world has a young girl they want to protect in their lives at some time. All young girls want to protect themselves too. Stealing a young girl and using her sexually is the worst, most offensive crime there is.

Epstein spent his life doing the one thing anyone connected to it could want to kill him for doing.
And he did it for well over 40 years, all over the world. That's a hell of a lot of people who could want him killed!

I tend to think Epstein killed himself.

He was 66, and the *** was up. All his cover was blown.
Even if he could have gotten away, he would not have lived for very long and he knew it, and he lost all his access to his money, so there was no good way out for him.

Better to kill yourself first than waiting around for someone else to show up and do it.

When death is inevitable, all anyone wants is a good death. For Jeffrey Epstein, any other choice would be very bad death.

I tend to think he wanted to leave a huge black hole behind as his legacy. It was the only thing he had left.
I think his intent may have been to leave a giant FU as his legacy. He lived life on his own terms. Why wouldnít he want to die on his own terms? He was never going to be a free man. He was never going to a cushy federal prison. His assets had been confiscated. He was left wondering if he in a windowless 4x 6 cell would get a slice of pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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not exactly
It was expired but it had his picture on it and was stamped with 4 countries.


https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/jeffre...o-travel-feds/
Epsteinís attorneys said in a filing submitted on Tuesday that he obtained the passport because he felt it could give him some protection if he fell victim to an airline hijacking or a terrorist incident and that itís been expired for more than three decades.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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How much did they miss? How much of the evidence that they got is about to disappear by some freak accident?

If powerful people can get him in that federal prison, I think that they can get to any evidence repository in the world without much trouble.

The man would have to be crazy to not have a foolproof dead man's switch contingency.
Maybe he gave it up after the first suicide attempt ?

Think about it. If Epstein had dirt on high level public figures around the world who would be most interested in it ?
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Trump may have been paying Epstein for information.
Epstein had no need or use for more money.

Trump was not going to pardon him or place him in a cushy Club Fed facility.

Letís turn it around. What did the guy have to live for?
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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It was expired but it had his picture on it and was stamped with 4 countries.


https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/jeffre...o-travel-feds/
Epstein’s attorneys said in a filing submitted on Tuesday that he obtained the passport because he felt it could give him some protection if he fell victim to an airline hijacking or a terrorist incident and that it’s been expired for more than three decades.
Which foreign country? "now expired passport from another country"--
Everything I'm seeing fails to state that the passport is a "Saudi passport"
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's one of many things we've heard bouncing around. The larger point is that we have no idea what happened and everyone who does know has mostly gone radio silent.

Here's what we can say with absolute confidence. Jeffrey Epstein should have been on round-the-clock observation complete with cameras and on suicide watch. It should have been completely impossible for him to hang himself and it should have been impossible for anyone else to strangle him. Everything with which he could have harmed himself in any way should have been removed from the equation. That's how suicide watch in a prison actually works. If any of that wasn't happening, then it amounts to criminal and willful negligence. You need to start looking for people coming into sudden monetary windfalls if they were anywhere close to Epstein. Look for staff whose families could be threatened. If the prison staff did their jobs correctly, Epstein wouldn't have been "suicided" even once, much less twice.

The worst of it is that everyone pretty much knew Epstein was as good as dead. It just sucks when your expectations of seeing the worst and most corrupt outcomes actually come true.
You have to ask AG Barr why the Suicide Watch of the most high profile person in custody in this facility expired. He could have made very clear, the Watch needed to be extended indefinitely.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:20 PM
 
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I really hope leaders from both parties come together to out any participants who participated in molesting underanged girls via Epstein. This should be a bipartisan commitment and we should demand our leaders drop the politicizing of it and call on their higher selves to do the right thing here. To let these pedophiles go without any outing, shame, or punishment just sets a precedent for the next Epstein to arise.
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