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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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How much did they miss? How much of the evidence that they got is about to disappear by some freak accident?

If powerful people can get him in that federal prison, I think that they can get to any evidence repository in the world without much trouble.

The man would have to be crazy to not have a foolproof dead man's switch contingency.
Many people think that the safe at his Virgin Islands (US Territory) home very possibly holds the mother load. Maybe the FBI had already raided it by the time Epstein died, but if not, it surely should not be a problem for them to bust that baby open now that he is gone.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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I expect that Epstein was a blackmail and con artist. Odds are, he has video, photo and all kinds of other evidence sufficient for a court of law to conclude that X person was in X place at X time screwing some 14 year old girl. I suspect that this has been a pretty significant revenue stream for Epstein. The guy has a lot of money coming in but nobody was ever able to explain where most of it was coming from. Investments and real estate, but the numbers didn't add up. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the type of guy to invite you to party on his island. He offers up beautiful girls that he assures you are all 18 or older and all 100% consenting. And after you've had sex with one or more of the girls on offer, the next day he informs you that they were all underaged and he has a whole mountain of solid proof including video footage of you having sex with the girls. It's one of those theories that I stumbled across that's sounding less and less crazy by the day. If he was getting massive regular payments from powerful, rich and famous people, then that may explain the rather massive chunk of his income that didn't add up.

So ... did Epstein have a dead man's switch? He'd have to be crazy not to considering the types of people involved. Will a massive load of evidence start showing up within the next week? We'll have to wait and see.
That's where I'm leaning.

If he did indeed amass a pile of visual evidence, this will take years to play out.

I've also not ruled out the idea that he was doing this for someone deeper in the shadows. Although I am aware that is bordering on tinfoil hat territory, I don't think it can be ruled out unless we have a better accounting of where his money came from.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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I bet Bill Clinton slept well last night!

Now he thinks he has nothing to worry about...I hope that is NOT true.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:25 PM
 
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I really hope leaders from both parties come together to out any participants who participated in molesting underanged girls via Epstein. This should be a bipartisan commitment and we should demand our leaders drop the politicizing of it and call on their higher selves to do the right thing here. To let these pedophiles go without any outing, shame, or punishment just sets a precedent for the next Epstein to arise.
You are SOOOOO right about that.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:26 PM
 
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I really hope leaders from both parties come together to out any participants who participated in molesting underanged girls via Epstein. This should be a bipartisan commitment and we should demand our leaders drop the politicizing of it and call on their higher selves to do the right thing here. To let these pedophiles go without any outing, shame, or punishment just sets a precedent for the next Epstein to arise.
There really does need to be an aggressive zero tolerance for this kind of behavior. Of course we are not well served by our current two-tiered, openly corrupt justice system with regards to other crimes either.

But if we cannot agree to protect the children from this kind of treatment, it might be just about time to wipe out all human life on Earth and then let God try again later, if he still wants to.

This kind of evil is just way too much. And your "identity politics" score, your wealth, or your political connections should not be allowed to give ANYONE immunity from being held accountable for these sorts of vile crimes.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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. . . The guy has a lot of money coming in but nobody was ever able to explain where most of it was coming from. Investments and real estate, but the numbers didn't add up.

. . . there's the $46 million that he stole from Wexler, allegedly, but Wexler declines to say whether he reported this to authorities.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-money-report
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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Jsut a refresher of the power of the Clintons.
1 - James McDougal - The Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr"s investigation.

2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock"s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown"s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.

5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".

7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton raped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton"s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park"s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide . He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..

11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head . It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit . Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton"s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena , Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 - Paula Grober - Clinton"s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

2 0 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21 - Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton "s advisory council personally treated Clinton"s mother, stepfather and brother.

23 - Barry Seal - Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

24 - Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.

27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the “ track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

28. Let's not forget Admiral Jeremy Michael Borda, Chief of Naval Operations under Bill Clinton who shot himself before being interviewed by Newsweek by Col. David Hackworth (ret) about wearing an unauthorized device on a decoration.



THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.

29 - Keith McMaskle - Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988

30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

32 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes".

33 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

34 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.



THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

36 - Major William S. Barkley, Jr.

37 - Captain Scott J. Reynolds

38 - Sgt. Brian Hanley

39 - Sgt. Tim Sabel

40 - Major General William Robertson

41 - Col. William Densberge r

42 - Col. Robert Kelly

43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes

44 - Steve Willis

45 - Robert Williams

46 - Conway LeBleu

47 - Todd McKeehan
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I can’t believe he was taken off suicide watch knowing what he was facing
This was deliberate—in that the opportunity was made available to take Epstein out

We have no real idea of how many people of wealth and position could be involved because no one really wanted to dig into those criminals

The idea that Prince Andrew was one mentioned early on during the FL investigation should tell you the sky is the limit for who could be involved...
And if it was Clinton—then put him in jail
And if it was Trump—then put him in jail
I believe in equal opportunity imprisonment for child abusers and sex traffickers...
No victim has yet fingered Trump or Clinton. While that could change going forward, the victim would have to prove it.

Again, none of these teens were held against their will. All accepted rewards for services. These were not prepubescent children snatched from their beds in the middle of the night. It appears Epstein and his female pals were predators which is not the same thing as pedophile. And some of those victims became predators.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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It may be a conspiracy theory but I feel that Trump indirectly engineered Epstein's death.

After all with Trump there's no such things as friendship. There's only deals, deals and more deals.

Epstein likely knew something that Trump didn't want to be made known.

Keep thinking that.
Everyone knows the Clinton's did this. Epstein was a marked dead man when Bill's name came up as someone who took many trips with Epstein, I bet Epstein spent his last moments in fear. thinking of how the Clinton's would be "paying a visit" to be a part of ending his life, in some way.

#ClintonBodyCount
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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Is Epstein even really dead? Billions of dollars buys literally everything in the world, including bought off high ranking officials, a fake prison suicide and a new identity. It could possibly be the greatest jail "escape" of all time and Epstein is on some south Pacific island right now sipping margaritas with 13 year olds as we speak.
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