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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Maybe that's what the first suicide attempt accomplished...they got the goods from him.

Tin foil of course but anyone that got "suicided" in the past..it was done the first time.

That's one angle circulating on the conspiracy sites.

FWIW his girlfriend and partner has not been seen nor heard from.
Are you talking about Maxwell?
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well, Bill Clinton should not have become involved with a predatory creep like Epstein, he should not have taken all those trips and played with the girls. Now he has to worry, unless he can buy off the Prosecutors.
Epstein had many friends in high places all over the world. And many had their own planes. Seems most everyone backed away when Epstein was under investigation the first time.

What trips? Clinton has disclosed a number of trips made on behalf of the Clinton Foundation. He claims the SS accompanied him on every trip. He has denied any trips to Epsteinís private island. He could be lying. Or maybe not.

What girls? Not a single victim has named Clinton as one of the predators.

Any one could, going forward, name Clinton or Trump or the Pope. They will need to prove it.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Some of it but not all of it can be reliably debunked. Much of it just wouldn't hold up in a court of law. It's basically the same scenario as Trump. You'd never get him in court for Russian Collusion or Obstruction of Justice, but you can't prove him innocent either. So too with Clinton, it's possible that many of the dead bodies they've left in their wake were people they ordered to be killed, but there isn't enough to prove that in court. And the folks doing the debunking have a pretty bad habit of carrying water for the Democratic Party. Case in point, Snopes just gets more and more partisan and awful year by year.

It would be nice to have a neutral fact-checker out there, but as far as I'm aware, there is no such thing.
There is a tendency to disbelieve a fact checker when the facts donít support / validate oneís perceptions.

There is a tendency to believe anything when it validates oneís perceptions.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Not aware that Epstein messed with prepubescent children- pedophilia.

He and his female accomplices were predators of teen girls who were willing to or convinced to engage for rewards.

Nothing suggests these teens were taken against their will or put in cages. Many returned and some moved in. And some became predators.

I can appreciate the shame some of these females probably feel given they engaged for money. I can appreciate that some of the victims have put it behind them and moved on with their lives and are not likely to out themselves.

The world is full of men in high and low places who prefer the company of forbidden fruit - underage teens to adults or adults their own age.

Most donít act on it because of legal consequences associated with evolving laws.
Just a caveat. Legally, these teenage girls were not capable of consent. So while they may have been willing, it was still ridiculously illegal. Epstein preyed upon gullible pretty young girls. What he did was sex trafficking and statutory rape legally. There's a reason for that. These girls were not psychologically ready to begin engaging in consensual sex, and they jumped straight into orgies, in many cases with nasty old men. You'd better believe that's going to leave some scars on the psyche.

And I'd wait till all of them weigh in before any of us can confidently tell the world what these girls' motives and mindsets were. Not every girl's experience is going to be the same. The usual approach by predators like Epstein is to con, trick and then groom the girls into becoming prostitutes.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Maybe that's what the first suicide attempt accomplished...they got the goods from him.

Tin foil of course but anyone that got "suicided" in the past..it was done the first time.

That's one angle circulating on the conspiracy sites.

FWIW his girlfriend and partner has not been seen nor heard from.
She's laying low in some other country.

Since she's not a US citizen, we won't be seeing her in court unless we extradite her. I believe she is a citizen of the UK or maybe Australia (she is Rupert Murdoch's daughter, in case you don't know), but I'm not sure which country legally claims her.

Or, and I just thought of this, unless some other country decides to try her and/or other participants. Seems to me that it is highly unlikely that Epstein confined his sex trafficking to the US.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Was the Secret Service there, too?

All investigation into Epstein's helpers and employees are continuing. You can't prosecute a dead man. But the pilots, housekeepers and pimps are still on the hook.
Assumes there are records of all who were employed by Epsteinís 20-30 years ago.

Seems his former gal pal, socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, has been implicated all along as a primary recruiter and trainer. Where is she?
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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For all we know he could have sold some of those tapes/photos to foreign government intelligence for blackmail use.

That would certainly make him a liability.

People in those circles have no remorse and have enough money to buy silence.
If he has certifiably unaltered tapes, they could be released at any point in time including post humous.

There have been fake tapes circulating the internet for years. Imagine more are being created, right now.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:04 PM
 
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The 90's ..really ?
Schumer got as much as Hillary and no one is calling him out.
Its not over . Its just beginning .

Originally Posted by unfailing presence
Following Epstein's child sex slave money donation trail will be so important now :
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jeff...ry?id=64255485
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:06 PM
 
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She's laying low in some other country.

Since she's not a US citizen, we won't be seeing her in court unless we extradite her. I believe she is a citizen of the UK or maybe Australia (she is Rupert Murdoch's daughter, in case you don't know), but I'm not sure which country legally claims her.

Or, and I just thought of this, unless some other country decides to try her and/or other participants. Seems to me that it is highly unlikely that Epstein confined his sex trafficking to the US.
Girls from Yugoslavia and Sweden were mentioned in testimony (part of the 2000 page release).
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Lefties you now have your instructions from Shareblue on what talking points to use when discussing the Epstein story online.

Here is the list:

DO NOT -deny the possibility of foul play;
DO NOT - excuse Epstein of his potential crimes, or doubt the validity of his guilt;
DO NOT - link to the current court documents regarding Epstein or use them in constructing your argument.

DO - sympathize with the potential victims of Epstein;
DO - remind people of the prior allegations of President Trump (Talk Subject 14C);
DO - remind people of Trump’s prior quotes regarding Epstein and their proven interactions together (Talk Subject 34, currently bare bones);
DO - remind people of the power that the President of the United States holds in comparison to members of the public;
DO - as always, ROLCON

Once again we need as many Stalwarts active as possible. We also need Stalwarts help in updating the latest Keynotes in regards to this developing situation.”

The last item on the DO list is ROLCON, which means role play as a conservative on social media.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ge-2/#comments
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