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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
No 315 73.43%
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:21 PM
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Camera malfunction has not been confirmed. Either there is a tape or not.
There was apparently not a camera showing the cell, but
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Eric Young, president of the national council of union locals that represents guards at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, said there were cameras in hallways and common areas, but not in the cells of the unit where Mr. Epstein was being held.

“From the moment you walk onto that property, you are under camera surveillance, ” Mr. Young said, adding that there should be video evidence of when the last checks were made and of anyone who approached Mr. Epstein’s cell.
Before Jail Suicide, Jeffrey Epstein Was Left Alone and Not Closely Monitored

Lots of questions here, but the folks crying foul play and already naming suspects are proving themselves a tad bit partisan.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:24 PM
 
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Trump, his wingman, tweeting yet? "I was in the middle of my golf round" "I know nothing!!".....
LOL. Yeah, I want to see to what degree he has discussed this.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:24 PM
 
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There was apparently not a camera showing the cell, but


Before Jail Suicide, Jeffrey Epstein Was Left Alone and Not Closely Monitored

Lots of questions here, but the folks crying foul play and already naming suspects are proving themselves a tad bit partisan.
No camera, no cellmate and 2 guards who were on "extreme overtime" per officials and didn't check on the prisoner.

Those Federal employees should notify the labor department about that "extreme overtime" because I think there are laws regarding that.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:30 PM
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No camera, no cellmate and 2 guards who were on "extreme overtime" per officials and didn't check on the prisoner.

Those Federal employees should notify the labor department about that "extreme overtime" because I think there are laws regarding that.
According to what I linked, there was a camera showing outside the cell which should show anyone approaching the cell. Like I said, lets of questions here.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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Never married. No kids. He had/ has a brother.
Just to say, he was apparently an unlikely guy to have lived elsewise, with his steady predilection for young girls and obsession for odd sexual leanings. Just curious how one becomes so rooted as that and with such a lifestyle, obviously unable to have normally-functioning adult relationships.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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No camera, no cellmate and 2 guards who were on "extreme overtime" per officials and didn't check on the prisoner.

Those Federal employees should notify the labor department about that "extreme overtime" because I think there are laws regarding that.
Define extreme. I can tell you I worked 12 hour swing shift. You are allowed by law up to 5 12 hour consecutive shifts. That isn't extreme. Me I avoided overtime at all costs and their are ways to scam the 5 in a row policy.
Arrange to come in a half hour late, leave a half hour early. Only work a 10 hour shift in the middle. It resets the clock. Money grubbers and overtime hounds know all these tricks. That doesn't give them a free pass for not doing their jobs. When they worked on my shifts they knew I was waiting for the cat naps etc.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:39 PM
 
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Just to say, he was apparently an unlikely guy to have lived elsewise, with his steady predilection for young girls and obsession for odd sexual leanings. Just curious how one becomes so rooted as that and with such a lifestyle, obviously unable to have normally-functioning adult relationships.
And believe it or not, he started off life as a Math teacher.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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Never married. No kids. He had/ has a brother.
I'd been wondering what family he had, because I did consider the possibility that he was 'heavily persuaded' to commit suicide (sort of the "Either you hang yourself or your pretty sister ain't gonna be so pretty" variety), but all I found was his brother. I can't find anything on whether his brother has kids or not, but I'm guessing even if he did, Epstein might not've been close enough to any nieces/nephews that they could be used as leverage against him.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:52 PM
 
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Define extreme. I can tell you I worked 12 hour swing shift. You are allowed by law up to 5 12 hour consecutive shifts. That isn't extreme. Me I avoided overtime at all costs and their are ways to scam the 5 in a row policy.
Arrange to come in a half hour late, leave a half hour early. Only work a 10 hour shift in the middle. It resets the clock. Money grubbers and overtime hounds know all these tricks. That doesn't give them a free pass for not doing their jobs. When they worked on my shifts they knew I was waiting for the cat naps etc.
That's what the article said with no further comment on how many hours.


https://apnews.com/b609668da05c4ac5bbc9aa50c9e6b6d2
Guards on Jeffrey Epsteinís unit were working extreme overtime shifts to make up for staffing shortages the morning of his apparent suicide, a person familiar with the jailís operations told The Associated Press.

The person said that the Metropolitan Correctional Centerís Special Housing Unit was staffed with one guard working a fifth straight day of overtime and another who was working mandatory overtime. The person wasnít authorized to discuss jail operations publicly and spoke Sunday on the condition of anonymity.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:08 PM
 
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And believe it or not, he started off life as a Math teacher.
Was hired to Donald Barr without a degree.
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