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View Poll Results: Do you believe Epstein committed suicide?
Yes 114 26.57%
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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And this is why Alex Jones makes money.
He mainly makes his money off of selling snake oil. It's hard for him to find an advertiser that wants to be associated with him.

 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: FL
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...00659280510978


It's a continuous pattern and an obvious one. Whenever deflection is needed, social media goes nuts pushing the latest right wing conspiracy theory, fake news or talking points. Russian bots/paid posters do exist and they help push what needs to be pushed. Look at the tremendous online interest by "conservatives" in Tulsi Gabbard, for example.
 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why wasn't Epstein on suicide watch and why did he have access to items to hang himself with given his previous attempt, and why was he not put in a special cell with no ligature points and under constant supervision.

There was the famous case of Roberto Calvi, who was found hanging under Blackfriars Bridge in London in 1982, for decades it was deemed a suicide, however it was later all but admitted by Italian organised crime that he was murdered, as Calvi known as 'Gods Banker' because he was banker to the Vatican, had been accused of stealing millions being laundered on behalf of the Italian mafia.

Mafia boss breaks silence over Roberto Calvi killing | UK news | The Guardian
Wardens make the call.

AG Barr could have made clear to extend the watch indefinitely given Epstein was the highest profile person in federal custody in this facility. The absence of a watch created opportunity for Epstein or an insider to end his life.

I continue to lean towards suicide. This was a guy used to living life on his own terms who was never going to be freed or land in a cushy Club Fed facility.
 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:05 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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It's not like you can't have a little underaged girl rape time while your in the air. We do know for certain that much of the sex-slave business was happening in lots of places that were not in the Virgin Islands and not on Epstein's island. New York city was one such place allegedly. Any significant association with Epstein should certainly be scrutinized. Clinton may have dodged a bullet as long as any and all underage girls he banged are either dead or too terrified to speak up. Clinton just looks guilty as hell. Why ditch your security detail? I can't think of any reason to do so unless you're trying to hide your activities from ever becoming public. Where did you go and what were you doing? Epstein probably would have outed him to get a reduced sentence. Trump is honestly looking like a dead end right now. No reason to not look into it though. If Trump did the crime, he should do the time. Bill Richardson is another strong maybe, but do we have any evidence on the guy that won't be destroyed when every house and property Epstein ever owned "mysteriously" catches fire sometime in the next week or so?

This is quickly looking like the most blatant case of pedophlia and corruption where everyone is just going to get away with it. I'm not okay with that.
They raided Epstein's homes and got boxes upon boxes of photos, tapes, papers, etc.
The guy had hidden audio/video camera's in all the bedrooms.
He had a Saudi passport in his safe along with cash and lose diamonds.

Epstein probably had more dirt than anyone knew with those secret cameras.
He was a dead man walking the day they put him into prison.
 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:07 PM
 
Location: FL
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Has anyone seen a picture or has any trustworthy person confirmed that he is? Just because some anonymous person said he was, that is not good enough.
and here we go...
 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Guy hung out with the “ rich and famous”. Many of these people had their own planes. Most put space between themselves and Epstein’s after the original allegations in 2004-5.

Epstein might have testified against anyone. Does not mean his testimony would have been credible.
I expect that Epstein was a blackmail and con artist. Odds are, he has video, photo and all kinds of other evidence sufficient for a court of law to conclude that X person was in X place at X time screwing some 14 year old girl. I suspect that this has been a pretty significant revenue stream for Epstein. The guy has a lot of money coming in but nobody was ever able to explain where most of it was coming from. Investments and real estate, but the numbers didn't add up. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the type of guy to invite you to party on his island. He offers up beautiful girls that he assures you are all 18 or older and all 100% consenting. And after you've had sex with one or more of the girls on offer, the next day he informs you that they were all underaged and he has a whole mountain of solid proof including video footage of you having sex with the girls. It's one of those theories that I stumbled across that's sounding less and less crazy by the day. If he was getting massive regular payments from powerful, rich and famous people, then that may explain the rather massive chunk of his income that didn't add up.

So ... did Epstein have a dead man's switch? He'd have to be crazy not to considering the types of people involved. Will a massive load of evidence start showing up within the next week? We'll have to wait and see.
 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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There are stories out there that Epstein had been moved and the person found hanged is someone else. Sounds far fetched but I never thought the FBI collision could be true and that turned out to be shockingly true!
https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former...illed-himself/
According to a former inmate being paid for an opinion.
 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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He had a Saudi passport in his safe
not exactly
 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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It may be a conspiracy theory but I feel that Trump indirectly engineered Epstein's death.

After all with Trump there's no such things as friendship. There's only deals, deals and more deals.

Epstein likely knew something that Trump didn't want to be made known.
 
Old 08-11-2019, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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They raided Epstein's homes and got boxes upon boxes of photos, tapes, papers, etc.
The guy had hidden audio/video camera's in all the bedrooms.
He had a Saudi passport in his safe along with cash and lose diamonds.

Epstein probably had more dirt than anyone knew with those secret cameras.
He was a dead man walking the day they put him into prison.
How much did they miss? How much of the evidence that they got is about to disappear by some freak accident?

If powerful people can get him in that federal prison, I think that they can get to any evidence repository in the world without much trouble.

The man would have to be crazy to not have a foolproof dead man's switch contingency.
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