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Old 08-11-2019, 12:02 AM
 
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How do you come away with that? switchtoecig has made it clear that Yang is not an open borders advocate.
No, he made it clear that he is. He said that he will reward, not discourage, those who are in the country illegally. That means unlimited immigration, a/k/a open borders.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:52 AM
 
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No, he made it clear that he is. He said that he will reward, not discourage, those who are in the country illegally. That means unlimited immigration, a/k/a open borders.
He is not for open borders or unlimited immigration. He talks about securing the border, and changing the existing policies that got us in this mess, such as increasing our guest worker program, etc.
As for path for citizenship, he states that that would be a logical choice (as the alternative would be inhumane and costly), though "this pathway must reflect the fact that these individuals tried to circumvent our legal immigration system." (from his website)
Not sure how that is different from most moderate conservative and democratic positions.

As someone who is for securing the border, and fixing the problem, there needs to be compromise on both sides. If you think that the government will deport over 11 million people, you are dreaming.
Sometimes it is better to be effective, than be right. Fixing the system, so this madness ends is in everyone's benefit. Your stance is only radicalizing the open border movement (do you realize this?)

If andrew yang was only about "front-of-the-line" path to citizenship, and ignoring securing the border (as well as expanding guest worker laws which got us in this mess), than I would agree with you. But if you read his website, this is not the case.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:35 AM
 
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He is not for open borders or unlimited immigration. He talks about securing the border, and changing the existing policies that got us in this mess, such as increasing our guest worker program, etc.
As for path for citizenship, he states that that would be a logical choice (as the alternative would be inhumane and costly), though "this pathway must reflect the fact that these individuals tried to circumvent our legal immigration system." (from his website)
Not sure how that is different from most moderate conservative and democratic positions.

As someone who is for securing the border, and fixing the problem, there needs to be compromise on both sides. If you think that the government will deport over 11 million people, you are dreaming.
Sometimes it is better to be effective, than be right. Fixing the system, so this madness ends is in everyone's benefit. Your stance is only radicalizing the open border movement (do you realize this?)

If andrew yang was only about "front-of-the-line" path to citizenship, and ignoring securing the border (as well as expanding guest worker laws which got us in this mess), than I would agree with you. But if you read his website, this is not the case.
There-s one interesting thing I noticed about this issue.
Rightists are quick to accuse leftists for being overly emotional. They are mocking the typical SJW/s feelings over facts approach, and are right about it.

However, when it comes to issue of border, holly hell, no bigger babies than them. So, what they value, like this thread clearly shows, is Trump's bombastic yelling, that actually accomplishes nothing, except it lets them vent at rallies and in front of tv a bit, while enticing fringe elements, who may act in unpredictable ways with horrific consequences, as we've seen.

OF course, this is not a responsible politics, this is just a show. Its objective isn't and has never been to solve the real problems at hand, some of which the show itself is creating as it must go on. Its sole aim is to increase the popularity of its star.

So, of course, reasonable measures, such as the ones Yang proposes, just don't sit well with that type of mentality. Plain old everyday doing one's job, making sure laws are uhpeld, helping everybody in the process. Nothing to excite the base at the rallies about. On the other hand, playing a tough guy and telling Mexico it's fired but not before it pays for imaginary wall - now we're cooking.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:39 AM
 
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Hate to break it to folks but these two aren't even in the running - lol.

Gabbard may not make the cut off for the debates in September

And Yang might squeak in - for not wearing a tie.


So let's have a deep meaningful discussion about nothing.
What a deja vu from the fall of 2015.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:55 AM
 
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No, all non-whites are officially privileged over whites. Of course, the rich are the most privileged, but even there the government favors the non-whites over the whites.
So, I suppose you're hinting at Affirmative Action that was introduced as an attempt to mitigate consequences of centuries old injustice. Heck, it's even questionable how much it accomplished despite initially good intentions. On the onter hand, it probably did hurt individuals, I can see how it can happen.

However, you are trying to dismiss the rich-and-connected privilege as something that matters less. That is the same privilege that lets thousands without jobs, hundreds being sexually assaulted for decades and nobody bats an eye - see Epstein case - the whole towns polluted, the other ones drained of any ambitious forces to pull them forward, many middle class jobs lost, you name it.

There was a good reason for introducing Aff. Action. Whether it outlived its purpose or not, that's another question. There was never a good reason for allowing rich and connected privilege to run amock.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:58 AM
 
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Gabbard in 2024 would be awesome after a second Trump term, especially Gabbard running on a Main Street Republican platform instead of a corporate America Dem or Repub platform.
So the opposite of trumpís agenda.
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Old 08-11-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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I think it's pretty clear now, after multiple posts on here from the left attacking TG. Leftist organizations have put the word out to take her down, in order to protect the far-left loons. TG isn't my pick-still too far left-but she hasn't completely lost her mind like most of the rest and actually might draw some moderate voters, with her common sense limitations on US military intervention. It seems like the Democratic establishment fears that she can't be controlled readily....much like the Republican establishment with Trump. And the media in particular fears someone that isn't playing along and taking their marching orders. Hell, we had the left wing moon-units going all russiarussiarussia on her after she stood up to Harris.

If Trump sells out American citizens on civil rights regarding the 2nd-hell, I might vote for her.

Now-I haven't seen any such attacks on Yang-not sure where that claim is coming from. He and his "money for nothing" schemes to provide hadouts to those that didn't earn them place him solidly in the extreme left-Squad style.

This is one of my biggest issues with the vast majority of Democrats, but I've been considering something lately after hearing Gabbard talk about getting us out of these middle-east conflicts. Coming from a military family, and having a father who served in Iraq twice, that has obvious appeal. So does applying the enormous amount of money we spend on those wars on American infrastructure instead.


The thought is... just what is within the power of any president to accomplish? With the protection of the second amendment - eroded a bit, but still standing - how much could a Democrat president do? Any true and significant change would have to go through congress, and that's a pretty sure bet that nothing major will happen. But could someone like Gabbard actually make a difference when it comes to meddling in foreign countries? Maybe.


My other worry with her is illegal immigration. She's not as crazy as all the front-runners on the issue, but still firmly in support for illegals. How much damage could she do? This one is more murky. Still, I suppose this pondering is meaningless, as she has about a snowball's chance.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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He is not for open borders or unlimited immigration. He talks about securing the border, and changing the existing policies that got us in this mess, such as increasing our guest worker program, etc.
As for path for citizenship, he states that that would be a logical choice (as the alternative would be inhumane and costly) . . . .
The alternative would not be inhumane, and it would be the opposite of costly. It would be spectacularly profitable.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:37 PM
 
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The alternative would not be inhumane, and it would be the opposite of costly. It would be spectacularly profitable.
Do you seriously think that it would be profitable for the government to deport 11 million+ people.
This is why we need a guy who can do math.


You are like the open border folk.
Unwittingly working in tandem, to never compromise on a solution.
Stubborn to the very end, making the problem worse.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:58 PM
 
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Do you seriously think that it would be profitable for the government to deport 11 million+ people.
This is why we need a guy who can do math.


You are like the open border folk.
Unwittingly working in tandem, to never compromise on a solution.
Stubborn to the very end, making the problem worse.
You are open borders. You want another amnesty and no deportations or even deterrents. Further you want more quest workers. I don't support anything you and Yang are proposing.
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