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Old 08-12-2019, 11:36 PM
 
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Throwing money at schools with low performance does not enhance performance
True. The Washington D.C. school district has the highest per student spending of any district in the country and it is one of the worst performing.

Money is not the answer. You could take the worse students and put them in the best schools with the highest paid teachers and they still wouldn't be able to perform. This was one of the asserted promises of school integration. It was thought that if Black children went to White schools, they would get a better education from not only the better teachers, but also from being in a better environment around White students. This didn't work. Nothing has worked. Decades on and the achievement gap can't be closed.
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:51 PM
 
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Here's yet another story about false claims of racial victimhood, saying that black and hispanic students have been "corralled" into "underperforming schools." But how is that logically possible? Isn't it the students themselves who perform? Isn't that like saying that players for the Pittsburgh Pirates have been "corralled" into an underperforming baseball team?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...o-14293740.php
If you're a student in Americas public school system, you're most likely in an under performing school.
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:51 AM
 
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Glad to see the conversation moving along. MetroWord, thank you for sharing your background. The only thing that has worked for me in order to rise above the rest is to have fun, be easy going, and to know myself.

I want to clarify the comment about rising above the rest. That does not mean having better things or better connections. It means avoid being too complicated and unhappy or too simple and happy or angry. You can find those attitudes anywhere.

You cannot have fun without having high expectations of yourself. For some people, high expectations often means being hard on oneself. I don't encourage that because that is close to attempting to be perfect or attempting to please others. That will never result in a fun and easy going life. High expectations for me means not to be in denial. With that, a person must learn to solve the problem of insecurity.

So what does this have to do with education? Education is not fun when the color of your skin is blamed for under performing test results. This does not allow a person to know their self. It is also not fun when the teacher is blamed. This places a person on a path of living in denial. Being in denial brings insecurity and when coupled with maladaptive behaviors, makes learning impossible.

Why hasn't throwing money at education work? It think the answer is pretty simple. The education at public schools is geared towards one group: middle class who will be future employees. Successful students have that modeled to them at home, being an employee. When you are an employee you have to come with a certain mindset.
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Old 08-13-2019, 04:17 AM
 
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If you're a student in Americas public school system, you're most likely in an under performing school.
I agree.

Other countries are enhancing their capicity for growth in scientific research and development.

...we have fallen so far our schools now accept, and in some cases enforce, sex as a non-binary thing...
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Old 08-13-2019, 05:32 AM
 
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Here's yet another story about false claims of racial victimhood, saying that black and hispanic students have been "corralled" into "underperforming schools." But how is that logically possible? Isn't it the students themselves who perform? Isn't that like saying that players for the Pittsburgh Pirates have been "corralled" into an underperforming baseball team?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...o-14293740.php


The public schools should just give every minority student straight "A"s and excuse them from attending or taking tests. Let the rest of the kids who want to learn actually learn so that they do not have to be concerned about appeasing an underperforming group and trying to rationalize their failure.


How about kids and their parents trying to actually improve grades, rather than looking for excuses for failure?
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:19 AM
 
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I gave you the hereditarian answer the last time. The group median IQ is 85 and most of them just don't have it in them. I would guess the median IQ for successful STEM graduates is around 115 or more, maybe a little lower for those who get affirmative action to boost them along.
Isn't this a copout answer? They're not in stem because they're not smart enough?

In science and engineering, we from time to time run across "goddunit" as an explanation proposed for things. In fact, it is constantly being pushed by conservatives to teach the "goddunit" theory of everything in the classroom. The main reason why scientists and engineers oppose to this is because it doesn't lead anywhere. No new questions are asked. No new discoveries are made. No new motivation to do anything else.

And this is what I see your answer as. Entire groups of people avoid a certain field because they are not smart enough. No new questions about it because they are genetically predisposed to be not smart enough to go into stem. Etc.

It just seems too much of a copout answer to me.
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:59 AM
 
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Whites may not celebrate success in their group, but they don't shun it either.

Whites have a huge advantage over other groups, including Asians. To understand this, think for a moment. About the various groups.

It is a fact that blacks and hispanics as a group don't study STEM. They either go into sports or humanity. Asians tend to go into STEM. Whites, however, are told they could be anything they want. So out of all the groups, whites are the most diversified in term of professional fields they go into.

So, may be this is how whites succeed.
Along with a shortage of blacks and hispanics in STEM undergrad programs, there's also a severe shortage of women enrolling in undergrad engineering programs. Purdue University (in the top ten in the US for undergrad engineering), for example, still to this day only has about 1 woman for every 3 men enrolled in engineering, about 25% female.

Is that cultural? Or hereditary?
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Old 08-13-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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If you're a student in Americas public school system, you're most likely in an under performing school.
Sadly, that's very true.
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Old 08-13-2019, 07:10 AM
 
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Along with a shortage of blacks and hispanics in STEM undergrad programs, there's also a severe shortage of women enrolling in undergrad engineering programs. Purdue University (in the top ten in the US for undergrad engineering), for example, still to this day only has about 1 woman for every 3 men enrolled in engineering, about 25% female.

Is that cultural? Or hereditary?
So what?


Medicine now has more female medical students than male medical students. Should we change that as well so that there are more males?


There are very few whites in the NBA and NFL. Do we need to change those "discriminatory" practices and demand more whites in the NFL and NBA? I mean, if there is a racial disparity, it must be due to racism, right?
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Old 08-13-2019, 07:12 AM
 
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So what?

Medicine now has more female medical students than male medical students. Should we change that as well so that there are more males?
Of course not. I was just interested in what c-d posters considered to be the reason there's a dearth of women in undergrad engineering. Heredity? Or cultural?
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