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Old Today, 09:36 AM
 
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Do people get to more than a pittance of what they earn in Vermont after all the taxes?

How much months after net pay does the average person have to work just to afford that huge property tax bill?

After traveling quite a bit over the country, the level of basic service tends to be relatively uniform with the exception of schools. Schools are a complementary for the family baby sitting service while hard-working taxpayers many of which don't have children have their money confiscated for something that should be parents responsibility to pay every penny in my opinion.

If the educational system is a bit better in Vermont then other states it doesn't really matter because the extra education and the possible extra earnings in many cases will go exclusively to property and income taxes.

$11,000-$12,000 a year for just property taxes alone for 2,500 square foot homes and then the state of Vermony confiscates 6.6% for the middle-class in income tax plus high sales taxes.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...12654212_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4...2654086_zpid/?

https://tax.vermont.gov/sites/tax/fi...20brackets.pdf
tldr; ******** about $12k property taxes on $650k-$750k homes... par for the course anywhere Iíve lived.
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Old Today, 10:08 AM
 
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Do people get to more than a pittance of what they earn in Vermont after all the taxes?

How much months after net pay does the average person have to work just to afford that huge property tax bill?

After traveling quite a bit over the country, the level of basic service tends to be relatively uniform with the exception of schools. Schools are a complementary for the family baby sitting service while hard-working taxpayers many of which don't have children have their money confiscated for something that should be parents responsibility to pay every penny in my opinion.

If the educational system is a bit better in Vermont then other states it doesn't really matter because the extra education and the possible extra earnings in many cases will go exclusively to property and income taxes.

$11,000-$12,000 a year for just property taxes alone for 2,500 square foot homes and then the state of Vermony confiscates 6.6% for the middle-class in income tax plus high sales taxes.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...12654212_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4...2654086_zpid/?

https://tax.vermont.gov/sites/tax/fi...20brackets.pdf


Hate to break it to you, but the property taxes in Texas would be higher on market values like the above.
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Old Today, 10:11 AM
 
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Of course, America is promised a republican form, not a democracy, where a majority can legally persecute a minority.
And private property rights were abolished in 1933, with the socialist revolution of "saint" FDR, who "liberated" all the privately owned gold money and criminalized the possession of constitutional money by "Free" Americans.
Mandatory public education sounds like government administered propaganda - and it is. Not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define the republican form, its source and origin. (No, it's not synonymous with a republic, nor is it a "constitutional republic." It existed BEFORE the USCON.)
Ironically, all the Leftist complaints aimed at the government are actually about the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America, in power since 1933. If you listen to them, all our problems will be solved by "more" socialism. Yeah, right.
why does a working stiff deify "republican form" a.k.a minority rule a.k.a plutocracy?
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Old Today, 10:42 AM
 
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So you OP are yet another poster who want us to abolish public education and move towards a more feudal society where private property rights (for the rich) are more important than democracy.

I dont get it, most of you are just ordinary working class folks, so look back at how the working class fared in your dream feudal society with no public education, extremely low federal taxes, no labor unions, extremely weak labor rights and high income and wealth inequality.

It was pure hell for most working stiffs.
I am an ordinary working person. I don't work for the government so I should want extremely low federal taxes. The government makes income equality worse with regulations.

Yes, I think public education should be eliminated. The parents should have cooperatives for education and be responsible for the price.

Public education is not democracy in my opinion. Government-owned warehouses are as far away from democracy as it gets.

I am a renter, so what I pay depends on the vacancy rate of a locale. I don't directly pay a property tax as I don't have a mortgage, but I think it is absolutely stunning what many homeowners are subjected to on their property taxes, as if the sales taxes and income tax plus many excise taxes and fees aren't enough.
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Old Today, 10:57 AM
 
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There are a number of websites out there that have the total estimated tax burden by state.

Granted, it depends upon your income level and other factors so it may be different on an individual basis.

Probably would save a lot of quibbling over the various taxes that go into our total outlay.

ie) Some states have low income tax but high property taxes, others have low & low, yet other high & high and so forth.
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Old Today, 11:01 AM
 
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tldr; ******** about $12k property taxes on $650k-$750k homes... par for the course anywhere I’ve lived.
I live in Vermont in a 2,800 sq. ft. house plus 3 car garage w/upstairs, greenhouse, & large pond on a beautiful 26 acre country property, about 6 acres of which is a park-like yard, and with about 1,000' of old stone wall running along the road. My property taxes are about $6,000.

Note that 2/3's of VT property owners get a subsidy from the state on their property taxes. The $6,000 tax on my property does not include any subsidy.
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Old Today, 11:06 AM
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Do people get to more than a pittance of what they earn in Vermont after all the taxes?

How much months after net pay does the average person have to work just to afford that huge property tax bill?

After traveling quite a bit over the country, the level of basic service tends to be relatively uniform with the exception of schools. Schools are a complementary for the family baby sitting service while hard-working taxpayers many of which don't have children have their money confiscated for something that should be parents responsibility to pay every penny in my opinion.

If the educational system is a bit better in Vermont then other states it doesn't really matter because the extra education and the possible extra earnings in many cases will go exclusively to property and income taxes.

$11,000-$12,000 a year for just property taxes alone for 2,500 square foot homes and then the state of Vermony confiscates 6.6% for the middle-class in income tax plus high sales taxes.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...12654212_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4...2654086_zpid/?

https://tax.vermont.gov/sites/tax/fi...20brackets.pdf
they keep voting these people in so they must not mind. property taxes are a local issue that is really none of my concern. they have local representation.

the problem is Bernie wants to implement this type of stuff all over the country which is not ok.
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Old Today, 11:26 AM
 
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I have no beef with taxes if they are being effectively used.
Which very RARELY happens. Government can not be trusted with more, and more, and more tax dollars. They view citizens as an UNLIMITED resource. They need to be reigned in, especially in high tax states in the Northeast and coasts.

Costs go up due to government growth, and malfeasance, plus huge pensions? Easy, just raise taxes. It has to stop.
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