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Old Today, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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Nearly 200 AMERICANS showed up to apply for those jobs that the illegals were doing.
That was reported today.
No, that couldn't possibly be right. I was assured by CNN that illegal (whoops, undocumented) immigrants were only taking jobs Americans wouldn't do.


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Old Today, 03:28 PM
 
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it is just too bad this first world society of yours falls apart if economy a.k.a population shrinks. Compound interest based economy is cancer that cannot shrink. As far as "subsidized", I need more info. A certain group of workers was singled out and forced to accept subpar wages. But it has nothing to do with those jobs not being "career" first world jobs, owning class can do that to any occupation.
No, it wouldn't. We survived just fine with far less people in the past. What certain group of workers are you speaking of that are being singled out and forced to accept sub-far wages?
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Old Today, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Right here; Right now
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How did you miss this?


Screaming labor shortage forcing firms to get creative to fill record job openings
Federal Reserve finds major shortage of workers across economy

"It’s a big headache for businesses, though. Not only do they have pay higher labor costs, they can’t find enough talent to raise production to meet growing demand. Some companies even have to reject new orders because they cannot fill them."


Fed report:


Help Wanted: Evaluating Labor Shortages in Manufacturing

"The evidence captured by our survey-based measure is consistent with traditional measures of labor market tightness. In particular, models of labor market search point to the vacancy-to-unemployment ratio, v/u, as a measure of market tightness, where v denotes the number of job openings and u is the number of unemployed.5 According this measure, the labor market is tighter the greater the number of employers seeking to fill job positions relative to the number of prospective workers looking for jobs."


PS: I guess this is where people will go with the one they agree with, huh ...
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Both of those articles are over 1 year old. The BLS report I posted is dated August 2019.
I will take the numbers of a current government report over articles dated 2018.
2019 links to fed report inside article:

Lots of help wanted: How the labor shortage is slowing the Texas economy

"Unemployment in Texas was 3.5% in May, the lowest since the government began tracking the data in the 1970s. The jobless rate nationwide was almost as low, and in 34 states, it was less than 4%. That dims the allure of the Lone Star State because most migrants come to Texas for the work. If jobs are just as plentiful where they're at, it’s a harder sell for Texas employers."


Labor shortages, trade uncertainty weigh on US economy: Fed report

"The US economy has been chugging along, expanding at a "slight-to-moderate pace" but labor shortages and trade uncertainty continue to weigh on the outlook, the Federal Reserve said Wednesday."

Here's another interesting fact:

10,000 Americans (baby boomers; largest workforce in history) are retiring daily, so that is 10,000 jobs created --- daily. Where is the workforce to replace them?

As baby boomers retire, who will fill their leadership roles?

"First, Generation X and the millennial generation aren’t nearly as large as the baby-boom generation, which could leave many jobs unfilled. Second, Gen Xers are the “sandwich” generation caught between raising their children and taking care of their parents. Many are looking for flexible and even part-time work schedules to accommodate soccer games and Mom’s doctor appointments."


1. The u.s. did not have replacement level of births; it takes 25 years to raise a workforce.
2. The largest workforce in history is leaving ...
3. The u.s. has taken a dump on migrants
4. Population is at a sustainable level, today, only because of the immigration population here already.


Is there a labor shortage? 10,000 jobs are being created, daily ... who is inline to fill that spot?


btw: this is where (wealthy stay wealthy and middle class looses their status) AI, comes in ... but AI, does not pay taxes, does not buy a home, does not buy a car, does not buy food, does not buy groceries. Humans still working will pay an increase in taxes to cover the federal governments obligations, because of a dwindling workforce, some one has to pick up that tab.
PS: people who do not feel like they are a slave to the government, when they see the deductions rising from their paychecks, I suspect they will be changing their minds.
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Old Today, 03:52 PM
 
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No, it wouldn't. We survived just fine with far less people in the past. What certain group of workers are you speaking of that are being singled out and forced to accept sub-far wages?
Nope, in the past families with 17 children were not that uncommon. It is not the size of population that matters, it is a rate of growth. Modern world cannot handle anything zero or negative growth, it collapses finances&banking first, with real economy to follow. It is funny that both "marxist" Obama and Trump are high priests of growth. You must have growth for compound interest based economy to function. It cannot handle, it cannot weather stagnation and depression at all.
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Old Today, 04:05 PM
 
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Nope, in the past families with 17 children were not that uncommon. It is not the size of population that matters, it is a rate of growth. Modern world cannot handle anything zero or negative growth, it collapses finances&banking first, with real economy to follow. It is funny that both "marxist" Obama and Trump are high priests of growth. You must have growth for compound interest based economy to function. It cannot handle, it cannot weather stagnation and depression at all.
And, how many people will be too many for you in this country? 1 billion? 2 billion? We don't have unlimited buildable land or potable water.

Back in the 60s and 70s you liberals were aggressively promoting ZPG. Many libs chose not to have children because they worried about natural resources and overpopulation. Now you libs have done a 180 and are encouraging overpopulation.

Did you know that back in the 70s, some towns and cities were closing schools because there weren't enough students? I didn't see anyone panicking over that, did you? Or weren't you born then?
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Old Today, 04:29 PM
 
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And, how many people will be too many for you in this country? 1 billion? 2 billion? We don't have unlimited buildable land or potable water.

Back in the 60s and 70s you liberals were aggressively promoting ZPG. Many libs chose not to have children because they worried about natural resources and overpopulation. Now you libs have done a 180 and are encouraging overpopulation.

Did you know that back in the 70s, some towns and cities were closing schools because there weren't enough students? I didn't see anyone panicking over that, did you? Or weren't you born then?
I do not encourage overpopulation. But don't you think you put the wagon in front the horse? Shouldn't all those big conservative minds come together to design a system that can handle negative/zero growth without vagrancy laws, concentration camps and shooting squads?
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Old Today, 04:33 PM
 
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Without immigrants, we'd be losing population.

Every woman in the United States needs to have 2.1 children to have zero population growth.

Birth rate in the United States: 1.8 children.
Nothing wrong with ZPG.

You liberals were aggressively pushing ZPG in the 60s and 70s.

Even losing population isn't a bad thing. We don't have unlimited buildable land or potable water. Also, we don't need to keep losing green space.
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Old Today, 04:34 PM
 
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And, how many people will be too many for you in this country? 1 billion? 2 billion? We don't have unlimited buildable land or potable water.

Back in the 60s and 70s you liberals were aggressively promoting ZPG. Many libs chose not to have children because they worried about natural resources and overpopulation. Now you libs have done a 180 and are encouraging overpopulation.

Did you know that back in the 70s, some towns and cities were closing schools because there weren't enough students? I didn't see anyone panicking over that, did you? Or weren't you born then?
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chose not to have children because they worried about natural resources and overpopulation
This is where people will win and lose at the same time.

The average birth rate today is 1.77 per woman in the u.s. So relax, you've won ... Americans are now under populating --- the u.s. saving grace in population offset of aging and dying population is, immigrants. So step back and say, hey ... we dodged a bullet.

However, if current trend continues with the rate of births and include the migrant population of woman, as well, because they too are having fewer babies. (something about being in a developed country, women have fewer babies) As well as the trend on no more migrants ... In 25 years, what do you think the projected out come will be? Where is the growth coming from?

Also, in reality who is it really, worried about resources, being used up? Those folks are sitting high a pretty, until the reality of their actions, hit their wallets and the numbers begin to dwindle. We could pull up, but I don't see that happening. (the handwriting is on the wall) It's a Mad Max world coming to a country near you.
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Old Today, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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And, how many people will be too many for you in this country? 1 billion? 2 billion? We don't have unlimited buildable land or potable water.

Back in the 60s and 70s you liberals were aggressively promoting ZPG. Many libs chose not to have children because they worried about natural resources and overpopulation. Now you libs have done a 180 and are encouraging overpopulation.

Did you know that back in the 70s, some towns and cities were closing schools because there weren't enough students? I didn't see anyone panicking over that, did you? Or weren't you born then?
If every woman has 2.1 children, there will be no population gain. Unfortunately, today, every woman has 1.8 children. The deficit needs to be made up.
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Old Today, 04:35 PM
 
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It's not a lie, it has been widely reported that there are more job openings then there are people on unemployment.
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