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Old 08-11-2019, 08:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Many businesses need those workers - - it would completely depress those industries.
Funny how we all managed before the invasion which occurred starting around the early 80s. If a business can't survive without breaking multiple laws F them.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:29 PM
 
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I overstated a bit. No, it’s not magical at all, but again, it creates a better deal since the paltry rates on a bond lessen the real cost to pay back once inflation is factored in. I’m willing to compromise over something like this.
Right now the government spends more than it has, and borrows to cover the difference. Much of the borrowing is in the form of issuing Treasury bonds. This idea is no different. You want the government to borrow money to build the wall....and taxpayers will have to pay it back, with interest.

Here's a better idea: Instead of bonds, citizens can contribute to a "build the wall" fund. It's a donation, clear and simple. That way if you think a wall is a good idea, fine; put your money where your mouth is. If 25 million people would donate $1000 each you would have your $25B. You could even sell naming rights of sections to corporations, like they do for stadiums.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:30 PM
 
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Many businesses need those workers - - it would completely depress those industries.
Plenty of local deadbeats to fill those jobs without importing more.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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Right now the government spends more than it has, and borrows to cover the difference. Much of the borrowing is in the form of issuing Treasury bonds. This idea is no different. You want the government to borrow money to build the wall....and taxpayers will have to pay it back, with interest.

Here's a better idea: Instead of bonds, citizens can contribute to a "build the wall" fund. It's a donation, clear and simple. That way if you think a wall is a good idea, fine; put your money where your mouth is. If 25 million people would donate $1000 each you would have your $25B. You could even sell naming rights of sections to corporations, like they do for stadiums.
Even better. I’m for that too!

Should also make it legal for folks to send extra tax earmarked for whatever they deem important. It’s crazy that the IRS will force march you through hell for shorting “their” tax money, but can’t accept an extra donation.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:34 PM
 
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Plenty of local deadbeats to fill those jobs without importing more.
If a business can't stay afloat without breaking our immigration and labor laws it's a deceased company and needs to close.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:35 PM
 
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Right now the government spends more than it has, and borrows to cover the difference. Much of the borrowing is in the form of issuing Treasury bonds. This idea is no different. You want the government to borrow money to build the wall....and taxpayers will have to pay it back, with interest.

Here's a better idea: Instead of bonds, citizens can contribute to a "build the wall" fund. It's a donation, clear and simple. That way if you think a wall is a good idea, fine; put your money where your mouth is. If 25 million people would donate $1000 each you would have your $25B. You could even sell naming rights of sections to corporations, like they do for stadiums.
I'm fine with that if you anti-wall people will pick up the tab for our portion of the over $100 billion a year that illegals cost us. Deal???
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Funny how we all managed before the invasion which occurred starting around the early 80s. If a business can't survive without breaking multiple laws F them.
Because the borders were open before then. The Bracero program goes back to 1942.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracero_program

We haven't "survived" without immigrant help in this country for centuries.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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Plenty of local deadbeats to fill those jobs without importing more.
If those deadbeats actually competed for the jobs, they’d be paid better. Minimum wage and all. Said deadbeats would probably have a decent number of those jobs anyway, if they tried. Hence why they’re deadbeats.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Plenty of local deadbeats to fill those jobs without importing more.
Whites won't work those jobs. Hell, many manufacturing jobs can't find white workers to take open positions because they can't pass a drug test.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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I'm fine with that if you anti-wall people will pick up the tab for our portion of the over $100 billion a year that illegals cost us. Deal???
Nah, the government shouldn’t be subsidizing any of that to begin with. So no wall, cut the welfare. Deal?
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