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View Poll Results: are Trump and/or Bernie responsible for these shootings?
liberal: no neither is responsible. 3 5.88%
liberal: yes both are responsible. 0 0%
liberal: Bernie's responsible but not Trump. 1 1.96%
liberal: Trump's responsible but not Bernie. 1 1.96%
conservative: no neither is responsible. 16 31.37%
conservative: yes both are responsible. 0 0%
conservative: Bernie's responsible but not Trump. 5 9.80%
conservative: Trump's responsible but not Bernie. 0 0%
independent: no neither is responsible. 12 23.53%
independent: yes both are responsible. 3 5.88%
independent: Bernie's responsible but not Trump. 2 3.92%
independent: Trump's responsible but not Bernie. 4 7.84%
other (please explain below). 4 7.84%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old Yesterday, 08:29 PM
 
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As far as I know, Timothy McVeigh never had a 'manifesto,' while Ted Kacynski most definitely did. According to your standard then, Ted K was politically motivated but Tim M wasn't?

The Dayton shooter expressed his support for Bernie via Twitter. Where is it written that a mass shooter has to leave behind a 'manifesto' to be considered politically motivated?
Your right - -the manifesto isn't in itself necessary -- but some kind of indication that the shooting was politically motivated.

There is nothing to suggest the Dayton shooter killed people because of anything Bernie Sanders said (no rally for Bernie with folks yelling 'shoot them'.).....

There is nothing except for one tweet that he likes Bernies....hardly indicative of a political motive for his shooting.

There is no evidence AT ALL to suggest the shooting was politically motivated.

Parkland was not politically motivated.
Sandy Hook was no politically motivated.
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Old Yesterday, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Obama didn't have rallies fomenting hatred toward others. He didn't spend hours a day tweeting about it either. Obama actually worked.




Yes, it was so nice to have had a president that focused on the facts without blaming one group.


Wouldn't any nut jobs to get inspired by divisive rhetoric.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHfbASLQLt4



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0s0kWbFevk



Just to recap: black guys good; cops bad!
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Old Today, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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See the quote in post #1. Is not accusing Trump of mass slaughter somewhat inflammatory and inciting?
What did were Sanders statements that might have driven the shooter to act.
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Old Today, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes, it was so nice to have had a president that focused on the facts without blaming one group.


Wouldn't any nut jobs to get inspired by divisive rhetoric.




Just to recap: black guys good; cops bad!
Barely a minute goes by without some divisive rhetoric by Trump, yes there is a problem with cops shooting blacks but I didn't see Obama tweeting every few hours. If you thought that Obama was divisive you would have to belief this is divisiveness on steroids if you really want to be fair.
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Old Today, 06:06 AM
 
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Bernie never insulted Republicans and called them rapists, murderers, drug dealers, or referred to them as an "infestiation."

Trump said all that about Hispanics. The Walmart shooter's manifesto had a lot of language directly from Trump tweets about Hispanics.

Every Trump supporter knows this,but they'll ignore it or say fake news.
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Old Today, 06:25 AM
 
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Bernie never insulted Republicans and called them rapists, murderers, drug dealers, or referred to them as an "infestiation."

Trump said all that about Hispanics. The Walmart shooter's manifesto had a lot of language directly from Trump tweets about Hispanics.

Every Trump supporter knows this,but they'll ignore it or say fake news.
He didnít say that about Hispanics and you know it. Very sad you have to lie
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Old Today, 06:50 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Obama didn't have rallies fomenting hatred toward others. He didn't spend hours a day tweeting about it either. Obama actually worked.
Obama was a globalist.


Obama allowed ISIS to expand and recruit, by calling them the JV team to divert attention away from them. The aftermath was a killing spree where thousands of people were slaughtered.


Obama invited a little girl to his state of the union, she went back to Chicago and was killed by gun shots from gangs. the weekend death toll in Chicago continued unabated while Obama was president. Somehow the BonB mass shootings are not classified as mass shootings by the media propaganda machine.


Hoffa jr stood up before Obama spoke, and screamed at his union thugs to 'take out those SOBs"! Obama stood up and just smiled, Hoffa's words to hear.


BLM which advocated killing cops was endorsed by the CBC, Obama and democrat legislators. Cops were killed!


The lie of furgeson was embraced and spread by the CBC and democrat candidates and legislators.


The lie of Charlotte is a perfect example of the twisting Trump's words into a hate filed rant which democrats then attacked. That is called character assassination and is intended to foment violence and hate.


Obama told us the safest places have the strictest gun laws. An academic theory he tried to sell as reality to thwart any real conversation needed to address gun violence.


Obama disrespected the cops which was a dog whistle to the violent left to institute gang law, disrespect laws and physically assault people for wearing the wrong colors or symbols.


Obama spat in the face of justice when he endorsed his /USAG to falsify a warrant and judge shop to spy on journalists opposed to his policies. That sent a chill down the spine of journalists.


Oppose Obama's policies and be labeled a racist! that was the I&D democrat strategy of invalidate and destroy! Not argue a political position, just destroy the credibility of an opponent and thus make the opposing argument null and void, no matter its content.


Wear a red trump hat and expect to be physically attacked.


The source of the hate and fear is owned by the democrats!


Every word out of trump's mouth is twisted into a false hate filled interpretation, As if taking raw metal and forging it into a weapon. All democrats see and hear is hate. they project their hate onto Trump and recoil in horror at the image they created.
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Old Today, 07:23 AM
 
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Bernie never insulted Republicans and called them rapists, murderers, drug dealers, or referred to them as an "infestiation."

Trump said all that about Hispanics. The Walmart shooter's manifesto had a lot of language directly from Trump tweets about Hispanics.

Every Trump supporter knows this,but they'll ignore it or say fake news.
Trump never said any of those things either. In fact, it's the Democrats who are inciting violence by constantly lying about the content of what Trump says.
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Old Today, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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Obama didn't have rallies fomenting hatred toward others. He didn't spend hours a day tweeting about it either. Obama actually worked.
Someone please explain what Bernie ever said that would trigger violence?

I swear, these Trump loyalists are so desperate with their false equivalencies.
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Old Today, 06:23 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Someone please explain what Bernie ever said that would trigger violence?

I swear, these Trump loyalists are so desperate with their false equivalencies.
The point is that neither Trump nor Bernie said anything that would trigger violence. But many on the left claim that Trump's words triggered the El Paso shooting. For them, the 'same' logic would have to apply to Bernie's words in the case of the cong. baseball park shooting and the Dayton shooting.

There's no false equivalency here. You can say it applies to both Bernie and Trump, or to neither. You can't say it applies in one case but not the other.
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