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View Poll Results: are Trump and/or Bernie responsible for these shootings?
liberal: no neither is responsible. 3 6.52%
liberal: yes both are responsible. 0 0%
liberal: Bernie's responsible but not Trump. 1 2.17%
liberal: Trump's responsible but not Bernie. 1 2.17%
conservative: no neither is responsible. 14 30.43%
conservative: yes both are responsible. 0 0%
conservative: Bernie's responsible but not Trump. 5 10.87%
conservative: Trump's responsible but not Bernie. 0 0%
independent: no neither is responsible. 11 23.91%
independent: yes both are responsible. 3 6.52%
independent: Bernie's responsible but not Trump. 2 4.35%
independent: Trump's responsible but not Bernie. 3 6.52%
other (please explain below). 3 6.52%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

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Old Yesterday, 03:55 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Numerous Democrats have pointed the finger of blame at President Trump for the mass shooting at an El Paso Walmart. Bernie himself said that while he didn't directly blame Trump, "He creates a climate where we are seeing a significant increase in hate crimes in this country.” Which to me is trying to have it both ways--he did it, but he didn't do it. Which is it, Bernie; it can't be both?

Beto O'Rourke was less equivocal, saying " [Trump] incites violence. We shouldn't be asking if there's anything he can do or if he's responsible for this when we know the answer. "

Both the shooter in Dayton, Ohio, and James Hogkinson, who shot Rep. Steve Scalise at a baseball practice, were avid supporters of Bernie Sanders. Sanders has spouted no shortage of inflammatory rhetoric, such as:

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"If Trump gets his way, the cost of health insurance will be so high that many people literally will not be able to afford it," Sanders told CBS News's "Face the Nation." "Thousands of people will literally die.
Who bears responsibility for any of these three incidents? Trump, Bernie, or one but not the other?
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Old Yesterday, 04:28 PM
 
Location: 130 Miles E of Sacramento
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Nobody blamed Obama for the mass shootings that occurred during his administration.

Why is Trump being blamed for it?
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Old Yesterday, 05:05 PM
 
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Numerous Democrats have pointed the finger of blame at President Trump for the mass shooting at an El Paso Walmart. Bernie himself said that while he didn't directly blame Trump, "He creates a climate where we are seeing a significant increase in hate crimes in this country.” Which to me is trying to have it both ways--he did it, but he didn't do it. Which is it, Bernie; it can't be both?

Beto O'Rourke was less equivocal, saying " [Trump] incites violence. We shouldn't be asking if there's anything he can do or if he's responsible for this when we know the answer. "

Both the shooter in Dayton, Ohio, and James Hogkinson, who shot Rep. Steve Scalise at a baseball practice, were avid supporters of Bernie Sanders. Sanders has spouted no shortage of inflammatory rhetoric, such as:



Who bears responsibility for any of these three incidents? Trump, Bernie, or one but not the other?
The Dayton shooting has not been proven to be politically biased. El Paso there was a freak'n manifesto --lol.

You can't claim it was politically motivated if it wasn't politically motivated.

And yes the shooting on the baseball field can be attributed to the divisive nature of politics in the USA today. Bernie, Trump, everyone on every side is guilty.

Trump's divisiveness, his rhetoric attacking illegals as criminals, etc.....was most certainly declared the shooter's motive.

It isn't the media telling us this.
It isn't the Democrat candidates.

It's the shooter.

If you can find the manifesto for the Dayton shoter -- I'd suggest you get in touch with the DOJ.
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Old Yesterday, 05:59 PM
 
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Nobody blamed Obama for the mass shootings that occurred during his administration.

Why is Trump being blamed for it?
Obama didn't have rallies fomenting hatred toward others. He didn't spend hours a day tweeting about it either. Obama actually worked.
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Old Yesterday, 06:19 PM
 
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Obama didn't have rallies fomenting hatred toward others. He didn't spend hours a day tweeting about it either. Obama actually worked.
Of course he did. There were lots of “Hope and Change” rallies that demonized the Republicans. If I heard that twit say “this is not who we are” one more time, I might have lost it myself. You just don’t see it because you’re on the left wing loony train.
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Old Yesterday, 06:54 PM
 
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Of course he did. There were lots of “Hope and Change” rallies that demonized the Republicans. If I heard that twit say “this is not who we are” one more time, I might have lost it myself. You just don’t see it because you’re on the left wing loony train.
Don’t forget punish your enemies, and when they bring a knife, you bring a gun.
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Old Yesterday, 06:57 PM
 
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Honestly, the only ones responsible for these shootings are the shooters themselves, with a little bit of blame for the websites and news that bring so much attention to their lunatic ravings. Every time someone quotes that maniac’s manifesto, another crazy person is composing his own manifesto that he hopes will get as much attention. Didn’t the El Paso shooter reference two different “manifestos” of other mass shooters?

I realize it’s news, but couldn’t they delete it from the web and keep it for the trial? No need to give these people what they seek. At the very least they could stop calling them manifestos. Call them lunatic ravings, or some other thing that makes it clear the person’s writings have no legitimacy to sane people.

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Old Yesterday, 07:05 PM
 
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The fact that most people have common sense and don't blame anyone except the shooter tells me the mainstream media is losing their grip on the public. Good!
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Old Yesterday, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Of course he did. There were lots of “Hope and Change” rallies that demonized the Republicans. If I heard that twit say “this is not who we are” one more time, I might have lost it myself. You just don’t see it because you’re on the left wing loony train.
Please show us videos of all these supposedly rallies where he demonized Republicans!
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Old Yesterday, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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The only person responsible is the man who pulled the trigger. That applies in both cases.
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