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Old Yesterday, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I'm all for diversifying energy sources (especially without government funds)... but the whole "sky is falling" approach has been total nonsense from the beginning.





That is the thing. We do need to diversify and continue to make improvements on renewable energy gathering devices. There have been huge strides in the solar panel market and more and more windmills are going up that are more efficient.





The people that have been pushing the "sky is falling" scenarios have the habit of using it to great affect, they have been using it on Trump since the day he announced his run for 2016 and look where we are today. The stock market is doing well, unemployment is very low and we have not been nuked by Russia, North Korea or Iran.



They are nothing but a bunch of alarmists.
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Old Yesterday, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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That is the thing. We do need to diversify and continue to make improvements on renewable energy gathering devices. There have been huge strides in the solar panel market and more and more windmills are going up that are more efficient.

The people that have been pushing the "sky is falling" scenarios have the habit of using it to great affect, they have been using it on Trump since the day he announced his run for 2016 and look where we are today. The stock market is doing well, unemployment is very low and we have not been nuked by Russia, North Korea or Iran.

They are nothing but a bunch of alarmists.


Low Carbon Enegy can indeed form part of a larger energy mix. Coal now accounts for less than 5% of UK energy and other fossil fuels less than 3% and both are being phased out altogether by 2025.

Low-carbon energy makes majority of UK electricity for first time - The Guardian

UK government spells out plan to shut down coal plants | The Guardian
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Old Yesterday, 07:30 AM
 
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I remember when it was this huge earthshaking deal that the US didn't sign the Kyoto accords. Sigh.

Turns out they were garbage, just like we knew they were.

That's the problem with a lot of the plans, they are feel good initiatives, not effective solutions.

All standing around patting each other on the back about saving the planet through meaningless treaties and sideshow technologies that absolutely do not address fossil fuel use either in the US or globally.

Nuclear is one of the best solutions to the issue, but the same people fervently gunning for fossil fuels now are the ones trying to kill nuclear for 50 years.
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Old Yesterday, 01:46 PM
 
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There was a time not to long ago when few people had a phone in their house. Most of those that did were on a party line. Time past and almost everyone had a private line phone. Then came cell phones, big, bulky, heavy, and expensive with very limited range. Today we have a small lightweight device that serves us with a phone, computer, internet, personal assistant, etc., at a very reasonable cost.

Not to long ago: https://www.phillyvoice.com/70-years...r-programmers/

Today we have more computing power in our smartphones.

The same applies to alternative energy sources. Today we are crawling just has we did with phones and computers but in time these alternative sources will become just as advanced at the smartphone and computers of today.

The difference today is that we have a corporate government with the fossil fuel industry that is a major player.

The most important thing is that alternative energy sources is a new field and those with foresight and ingenuity will find very profitable rewards. If the US keeps denying climate change and poking their heads in the sand other countries will soar ahead in technology and wealth leaving the US as a third world country broke and destitute.
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Old Yesterday, 05:28 PM
 
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It really must be sinking in since we are currently installing many "nuke plants worth" or renewables in the USA each year.

That's......progressive!

Did y'all read about how COAL MINERS are demanding the Green New Deal? Yep....

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...green-new-deal

So, Coal Miners want it...but deplorables don't? Hard to imagine.
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Old Yesterday, 05:33 PM
 
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The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises of the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil fuels.
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Gibbs, who produced Moore’s Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch brothers — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their glass production business.

“It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us … but (also) that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money… It dawned on me that these technologies were just another profit center.

Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a difficult eye-opener for them as well.


Go figure... he may be actually getting it.

Moore is finally growing up and actually learning real some real info.
Which part do you consider surprising - that there is no single magic bullet to save us, or that there is a dark side to corporate money? Neither surprises me and, ultimately, that likely won't surprise Moore, either. It sounds like he got lucky with one of the great gifts of any researcher - to find unexpected things along the way.
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Old Today, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Which part do you consider surprising - that there is no single magic bullet to save us, or that there is a dark side to corporate money? Neither surprises me and, ultimately, that likely won't surprise Moore, either. It sounds like he got lucky with one of the great gifts of any researcher - to find unexpected things along the way.
I don't consider either surprising.

1- I don't believe we are under some threat by climate.

2- I have repeated stated in different ways that fines and money collection are the means of punishment, there is no real threat - except to my wallet. Also - this is an attempt to steer the market forces in a particular direction. Elites make investments in an area at a low point, an then steer business towards that area by various means.
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