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Old 08-12-2019, 04:27 PM
Status: "Now I know how Joan of Arc felt ..." (set 9 days ago)
 
Location: Boulder, CO
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When did this discussion turn into a racial issue? You're the one bringing that up, and I truly fail to see why. Someone's skin tone has nothing to do with it. You also stated that "all the people posting on this thread" have some sort of racial bias they have been trying to hide up till now. Ummm, OK. Even though I don't see any possible motivation for that personally, whatever.


Red flag laws can and will be abused by citizens and LE alike equally regardless of peoples color. There are no lines separating any one skin tone from another. I truly don't see where your angst is stemming from.

When you view life through the prism of race race race, everything is RAYCISS.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:33 PM
 
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So this is the first time I am hearing about this

I got a dumb question

In States where this law is in effect. If someone makes a false claim that someone is dangerous to law enforcement. Can law enforcement enter a residents home without their consent?
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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So this is the first time I am hearing about this

I got a dumb question

In States where this law is in effect. If someone makes a false claim that someone is dangerous to law enforcement. Can law enforcement enter a residents home without their consent?
Yes they can, most times a judge has to sign off on it and many judges will.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:43 PM
 
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I'm confused. I thought red flag laws allowed police and/or family members to petition the court to temporarily remove firearms from a person they feel is at risk to cause physical harm to them selves or others. Evidence still needs to be presented to a judge. Is this that much difference to have a mentally ill person adjudicated as being a threat and having his gun rights revoked? I suppose the laws are different per state but it seems the OP scenario the police just showed in the middle of the night I assume based on an ERPO that they must have gotten with fabricated evidence. That or the judge was bought off.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:46 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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So this is the first time I am hearing about this

I got a dumb question

In States where this law is in effect. If someone makes a false claim that someone is dangerous to law enforcement. Can law enforcement enter a residents home without their consent?

What Floorist said. All it takes is a report to LE who will get a judge to sign off on it in chambers. You will be guilty until proven innocent but in the meantime say goodbye to your guns. More than likely permanently as if you have nice firearms they will "disappear in evidence" meaning they now reside in the gun safe of some cop, DA or judge.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:09 PM
 
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What Floorist said. All it takes is a report to LE who will get a judge to sign off on it in chambers. You will be guilty until proven innocent but in the meantime say goodbye to your guns. More than likely permanently as if you have nice firearms they will "disappear in evidence" meaning they now reside in the gun safe of some cop, DA or judge.
So do they come in unannounce do they knock
I know dumb question
Will the person who made a false claim be held accountable by law?
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:11 PM
 
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I'm confused. I thought red flag laws allowed police and/or family members to petition the court to temporarily remove firearms from a person they feel is at risk to cause physical harm to them selves or others. Evidence still needs to be presented to a judge. Is this that much difference to have a mentally ill person adjudicated as being a threat and having his gun rights revoked? I suppose the laws are different per state but it seems the OP scenario the police just showed in the middle of the night I assume based on an ERPO that they must have gotten with fabricated evidence. That or the judge was bought off.
I know in my State

I work in social service field.

If you voluntarily commit yourself believe the police seize your weapons for six months

Now if you involuntarily commit yourself then they don't get seized

Now I don't know if you involuntarily commit yourself and make a threat against someone that your firearms can be seized. I want to say if any police involvement prior or restraint order then I think they would be seized. Not 100% sure.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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I'd be ok with mental health evaluations before you are allowed to get a gun license, and opening up high school records for background check. We do need a national background check.
It won't stop all of the bad guys from getting a gun, but may help stop some of them that are too stupid (to be creative about getting one illegally) from getting one.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:40 PM
 
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So do they come in unannounce do they knock
I know dumb question
Will the person who made a false claim be held accountable by law?
I think it varies on the area.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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victim blaming, its a thing.
Idiots exist. Would you comply if armed police told you...."Put the gun down" I sure would.
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