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Old Yesterday, 10:46 AM
 
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Fail.

Those coming here with no means of support (the subject of this thread, BTW), we get a permanent dependent class.

If requiring immigrants to prove that they're here to contribute, and not be a public charge, was good enough for yesterday's immigrants, it's good enough for today's.

The last thing this country needs is to allow entry of those who "need a safety net."

Get real.
Excellent!!!
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Old Yesterday, 10:49 AM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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This is not new. Maybe it wasn't being enforced before? What is Trump doing that's new?

Legal immigrants have to jump through hoops and are required to have a legal sponsor who will support them for the first five years if anything goes wrong. (Goes wrong--might be an auto accident, disease, long term job loss,etc.)

The legal sponsor is REQUIRED TO prove that they have the money to support the person for five years and there is all sorts of legal paperwork and signatures. The sponsor can be a future spouse, an employer, etc. The legal immigrant does not qualify for housing, food stamps, nothing. After five years of being a legal resident, they can apply for help, but not before.
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Old Yesterday, 10:52 AM
 
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This is not new. Maybe it wasn't being enforced before? What is Trump doing that's new?

Legal immigrants have to jump through hoops and are required to have a legal sponsor who will support them for the first five years if anything goes wrong. (Goes wrong--might be an auto accident, disease, long term job loss,etc.)

The legal sponsor is REQUIRED TO prove that they have the money to support the person for five years and there is all sorts of legal paperwork and signatures. The sponsor can be a future spouse, an employer, etc. The legal immigrant does not qualify for housing, food stamps, nothing. After five years of being a legal resident, they can apply for help, but not before.
I don't know the specifics but I do know EO generally cannot make law (that's up to Congress), it just changes how laws are enforced. So, your guess is probably right. There is a law, somewhere, that was never enforced. Trump is now enforcing it. Good for him. We have a lot of good laws (and bad ones), if we just start enforcing them, we might make progress.
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Old Yesterday, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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You do not get it. A pregnant woman crossing Rio Grande will give birth to an American citizen. Now you call to discriminate American citizens based on immigration status of their parents instead of admitting that 240 years old document is antiquated and out of touch scrolls requiring a caste of wizard judges to decipher it according to judges liking and political preferences. Besides American pay structure, feeding the top 1%, requires public assistance to operate bottom decks of the parasitic pyramid. By effectively decimating already low living standards of immigrant workers Trump will bring bonafide third world next to you. There is plenty of misery in this world, no matter how rotten the Trump deal is, there will be plenty of people to sign up, they will just give that third world flair to the richest banana republic in the world.

No, YOU don't get it (besides being all over the place in your misplaced outrage).

This thread isn't about illegals entering the country to flop out a baby, and get on the public dole. THIS thread is about reinstating the same restrictions on today's legal immigrants/residents, as were in place years ago: that they be able to support themselves and their families.
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Old Yesterday, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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get a load of how the disgusting l.a. times frames this: Trumpís callous attack on immigrants who need public aid

this forum badly needs a puke-smilie.

LOL But in their zeal to attack Trump, they asserted for all to see, the idiocy of allowing the whole damn world in, simply because they need public assistance--and they did it in one sentence.

Yup--gimmegrants. Let's get back to imposing standards for entry.
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Old Yesterday, 11:03 AM
 
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No, YOU don't get it (besides being all over the place in your misplaced outrage).

This thread isn't about illegals entering the country to flop out a baby, and get on the public dole. THIS thread is about reinstating the same restrictions on today's legal immigrants/residents, as were in place years ago: that they be able to support themselves and their families.
You still do not get it. A child of legal immigrants is an American citizen. Do you want to discriminate American citizens to punish their underperforming parents? I want to remind you that 40 years ago one could support a family of four on a low end manufacturing worker salary. Today that worker cannot support himself under the best circumstances, forget illness and accidents. Who was immigrating years ago? Right. Today only independently wealthy or reasonably compensated professionals, preferably childless, can meet those qualifiers. Will an independently wealthy immigrant wipe your butt?
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Old Yesterday, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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you got that wrong, most states do not let green card holders to sign up for medicaid, no matter what. Parents must become citizens for that. The rumors about freebies immigrants get are greatly exaggerated. NYC is a different animal.
I can rattle off half a dozen names who had a green card, were on Medicaid AND received cash benefits. Yes, there is a "disability" clause but they get around it. Disability is interpreted fairly generously for people in their 80s. Often, the parents leave the country and the kids continue to collect their cash benefits.
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Old Yesterday, 04:01 PM
 
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This is not new. Maybe it wasn't being enforced before? What is Trump doing that's new?
It is new.

This is one of the many big changes:

'In the 1990s, the Clinton administration issued guidance effectively saying that only cash benefits — like the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program — could be considered when determining whether an immigrant was a "public charge.

The new regulation would require caseworkers to consider the use of government housing, food and medical assistance such as the widely-used Section 8 housing vouchers and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).'

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is...al-immigrants/
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Old Yesterday, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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Excellent!!!
Then we are no longer America - if we change who we are and have stood for, the last 200 years we need to change our name. MrT wants to run it like a business, then take the sign off the building and change it. Maybe to - the Trumpenian United States or Trumpmerika, Republic of Zetrump . We can’t be what we are not just because some can’t play well with others
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Old Yesterday, 09:31 PM
 
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Why can’t all these immigrants be born rich like trump?
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