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View Poll Results: Should the Democratic Party change their name to the Socialist Party?
Yes 70 66.67%
No 35 33.33%
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Old Yesterday, 03:19 PM
 
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You'll have to prove to me why nationalism is better. Historically, it's led to some awful things.
Compared to globalism, you mean. Because that is the alternative to nationalism.
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Old Yesterday, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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The Democratic Party is a broad-ranging one at grassroots level but it is still dominated by a liberal, corporatist elite that is far closer to mainstream Republicans than it is to radical socialism.
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Old Yesterday, 04:30 PM
 
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I see Russia is in full bloom sowing discord.

It will only get worse..
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Old Yesterday, 04:31 PM
 
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The current president seems to have a penchant for socialist solutions . . .
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Old Yesterday, 04:35 PM
 
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Should the Republican Party change its name to the spineless Trump lackey brigade?
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Old Yesterday, 05:07 PM
 
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Is the redistribution of wealth from taxpayers to farmers, basically as bribes, socialism or fascism?

Is minority rule fascism?

If the following does not sound like Trump rule, nothing does.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
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That sounds like the babbling typically associated with a particularly advanced case of TDS.
Actually Spartacus you may want to read Madeleine Albright's most recent book: Fascism: A Warning
In it the former Secretary of State sounds the alarm about the rise in fascism around the world and in America. She writes very eloquently and with great authority on the fascist threat and the erosion of liberal democracy here and across the globe.

In the book, she argues that fascism is not an ideology; it’s a process for taking and holding power. A fascist is somebody who identifies with one group — usually an aggrieved majority — in opposition to a smaller group. It’s about majority rule without any minority rights. Which is why fascists tend to single out the smaller group as being responsible for or the cause of their grievances.

According to the Secretary, the important thing is that fascists aren’t actually trying to solve problems; they’re invested in exacerbating problems and deepening the divisions that result from them. They reject the free press and denounce the institutional structures within a society — like Congress or the judiciary.
She says that violence is a crucial element of fascism. Whatever else it is, fascism involves the endorsement and use of violence to achieve political goals and stay in power.

From personal observations during WWll and her extensive studies and service as Sec of State she is in a position to credibly describe what we almost always see in fascist regimes; that is propaganda being used to set people against each other without any potential solutions to any of the problems.
According to Albright, fascism is always, in the end, about stirring people up and giving them someone to hate.

In the book, she called Donald Trump “the most undemocratic president” in modern American history. It was published in 2018 and she stopped short of calling him a fascist. However, once, in an interview she said this: "I don’t call him a fascist. He’s certainly anti-democratic, and I say so in the book, but I don’t call him a fascist because he isn’t violent at present. If he ends up declaring an emergency at the border over immigration, then I might change my position. There’s a long history of fascists using “emergencies” to create fear and conflict, so that’s a potential red line. If Trump does that, and uses violence then he really is a bully with an army. "

In another interview I heard her say, "I think his approach to the free press, to democratic institutions, to the independent judiciary, is extremely dangerous and anti-democratic. And his general disdain for the rule of law is genuinely alarming."

The book is not about Trump, he is just mentioned in it. But warning about fascism and its rise and the tendencies we are seeing in our current president that are common to demagogues are highlighted and alarming and should indeed serve as a warning and not to be dismissed as Spartacus and some do with the not so clever and overused TDS slur. Ms. Albright was going to write this book no matter who got elected because she said she could see all these divisions and problems long before Trump took office.

Read this book to gain some insight and understanding about what we are witnessing and feeling today on this planet. There are a lot of forces coming together and creating an atmosphere of anger, and people have no idea what the solutions are, or if there are any solutions. Then some strongman comes along and says, “I have the answers, I can fix everything.” According to Madeleine Albright, this is when you get fascism.
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Old Yesterday, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Is the redistribution of wealth from taxpayers to farmers, basically as bribes, socialism or fascism?

Is minority rule fascism?

If the following does not sound like Trump rule, nothing does.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
This may be someone's dictionary definition, but since it was Benito Mussolini who coined the word 'fascism,' it is better to look to his words for the definition of 'fascism.'

https://www.cato.org/commentary/hitl...lini-roosevelt
Mussolini said "Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.…"

Socialism is collective (in practice gov't) ownership of the means of production. Fascism is government control (regulation) of the means of production, while still allowing private ownership. Socialism and fascism are thus next-door-neighbors on the political spectrum. Both are collectivist, and thus on the left side of the spectrum, not the right as your dictionary claims.

Trump with his program of heavy de-regulation of business, is in fact the reverse of fascism. I don't know what label to put on Trump, but it's certainly not 'fascist.'
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Old Yesterday, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Actually Spartacus you may want to read Madeleine Albright's most recent book: Fascism: A Warning
In it the former Secretary of State sounds the alarm about the rise in fascism around the world and in America. She writes very eloquently and with great authority on the fascist threat and the erosion of liberal democracy here and across the globe.

In the book, she argues that [i]fascism is not an ideology; it’s a process for taking and holding power. A fascist is somebody who identifies with one group — usually an aggrieved majority — in opposition to a smaller group. It’s about majority rule without any minority rights. Which is why fascists tend to single out the smaller group as being responsible for or the cause of their grievances.
...According to Madeleine Albright, this is when you get fascism.
Sounds like Sec'y Albright also needs to read up on her Mussolini. Again it was Mussolini who coined the word 'fascism.' It derived from a Roman symbol called the 'fasces,' which was a bundle of sticks (symbolizing collective strength) with a protruding axe blade (symbolizing the state authority in the use of violence and force).
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Old Yesterday, 05:44 PM
 
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Sounds like Sec'y Albright also needs to read up on her Mussolini. Again it was Mussolini who coined the word 'fascism.' It derived from a Roman symbol called the 'fasces,' which was a bundle of sticks (symbolizing collective strength) with a protruding axe blade (symbolizing the state authority in the use of violence and force).
I don't think Secretary Albright needs your advice. Perhaps you should read her book before declaring her incorrect and dismissing her warning about the global rise of forces we are currently witnessing.

I most likely did not do her book justice in my synopsis of her eloquent and intellectual writing, observations and conclusions. This book is not a simple definition of fascism that you declare wrong.

She traces fascism’s roots, calls out the global rise of right-wing authoritarian regimes, and expresses grave concern about divisions, resentments, and isolationism in the United States.

We as a nation would be wise to heed her warning.

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Old Today, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Stupid thread of the day. Congrats.
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