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Old Yesterday, 06:30 PM
 
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Germany should pay up or be penalized.
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Old Yesterday, 06:35 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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USA holds military bases in Germany for self serving purposes.

They pretend NOW it is some generous service.

It isn't.

Germany should call the USA bluff and tell them to get the hell out.

What do you think would happen...the USA would start looking for other countries in the area to set up bigger bases or new bases.

It is strategic for the USA to have a presence in Germany.

If you can't understand that -- just -- oh okay.
I agree...... I hope that they do... How strategic it is is debatable. In the 50's, 60's and 70's I would agree that Germany was of strategic importance. That was before we developed our massive fleet of ICBM's.

Let's face facts, and Russia knows this as well as we do. If a war breaks out between the USA and Russia who ever is losing is going to launch a nuclear strike.

We liked having Germany as a buffer but certainly don't need Germany for much of anything anymore.

The Generosity was not allowing Stalin to keep all of Germany at the end of WWII.

The Generosity was not holding Germany accountable for their attempt to commit genocide against the Jewish population. Every German at the time had a hand in it, even those who simply pretended not to know what was going on. Yes we were generous.
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Old Yesterday, 06:36 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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Germany should pay up or be penalized.
Exactly. If they want to be in the club they need to pay their dues.

Germany has great soldiers and great equipment, they simply don't have what they promised. They can remedy this easily enough.
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Old Yesterday, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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We don't spend money on defending Germany to defend Germany -- we do it to protect our own interests.

Seriously kids -- this is not complicated.

You have to be naive to think that the USA sets up military bases around the world soley to protect the rest of the world.

Are you really all that naive?
Could be done from Poland.....they pay!
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Old Yesterday, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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You might want to take a look at public opinion surveys in Germany. That might help you figure out who actually wants to keep US troops there (hint - it's not Germans).
Want us there or not, the presence of troops has a significant impact on the local economies. They may complain about us being there but they won't like the impact of a complete pullout.
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Old Yesterday, 06:42 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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Could be done from Poland.....they pay!
Yes they do and they are also a hell of a lot easier to work with.
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Old Yesterday, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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I don't care what motivates them. We spend a fortune on bases and Germany's defense and we have since the end of WW II. We owe them nothing . They have money to burn on their own citizens, as we should be doing, because we are their shield. Let them stand alone or pay for our services.
Yep....cut them off, and everyone else. One of the reasons they can have their socialist paradise BS is because they don't have to worry about security or defense...we cover that.
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Old Yesterday, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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We don't spend money on defending Germany to defend Germany -- we do it to protect our own interests.

Seriously kids -- this is not complicated.

You have to be naive to think that the USA sets up military bases around the world soley to protect the rest of the world.

Are you really all that naive?
Even if what you're saying is true which I don't agree with, the bottom line is who are they gonna call when the crap hits the fan? They basically don't have to lift a finger. None of our allies do.

And folks, that's another reason we can't afford Socialism that no sane person wants anyway.
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Old Yesterday, 07:38 PM
 
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Could be done from Poland.....they pay!
President Trump may follow your advise!
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Old Yesterday, 10:19 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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She's done fine in a tumultuous time.

Germany has a lot going for it. Much better quality of life than in the USA. Safer to live, too. Great mass transit, great health care. Beauty. A lot of what our country isn't.



They saved all that cash on a military and still got foreign aid from the USA.
Typical socialist. Want it all and don't want to pay for it.
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