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Old 08-13-2019, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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There are some caveats to post #1. El Salvador successfully resisted interaction with the US for decades, until around the 1960s. Yet they followed a similar path of military/oligarchy dictatorship. Even prior to US involvement, 14 families controlled most of the land and wealth.

Costa Rica was kind of the Finland of Central America--liberal, democratic, and with a large welfare state. They too had significant US interaction, but for reasons unknown to me, it did not affect them as negatively. They have certainly not been without problems, but not to the extent of the others. Costa Rica for decades has been a favored destination for US retirees. And they take in more illegal immigrants than they send to the US.

It was always a two way street, with locals in Central America acting in concert with Washington DC to repress and abuse the masses of peasants. But there is no question that historically the US shoulders a large share of the blame.
Yeah, maybe you should finish having this debate with yourself before engaging others.

The assumption you made, that problem exist in CA because of US meddling, may be correct, but that doesn't mean the place wouldn't be even worse without it.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:14 PM
 
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btw, I know it is commonplace to label the US-supported regimes of Central America as 'right wing,' but I would dispute that label. They were dictatorships by military and oligarchs (primarily large land-owners), and not 'right-wing' in the sense used in US politics, i.e. favoring limited government. In fact they were just the opposite.
False. Right-wing has always meant favoring the landed and business elites over the common people.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If they make it all the way to the U.S. border from El Salvador, they're the exact opposite of lazy.
Hitching a ride on a bus or train isn't exactly difficult. Those going the desert route are doing it for a reason. They are either repeat offenders being already deported, smuggling something or have a very venomous history and don't want to be caught.

Asylum shoppers need to be deported to random Countries until it stops.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I just love seeing all these whypipo triggered by history and the truth lmao
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:48 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Even if the OP's anti-American propaganda is all true (and putting aside the fact of Soviet meddling), its been many decades since the end of Central America's civil wars.

The Vietnam War ended in 1975 and even today, even Vietnam seems to have recovered from the effects of the war. For Democrats and the left its all about America and the West and what happened in the past no matter how long ago.

I mean they still blame slavery for the state of affairs in Elijah Cummings and Maxine Waters districts!
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:55 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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The crisis at the border? Just a few months ago the left claimed that there was no crisis at the border.

I think what causes it more than anything is the rhetoric on the left supporting the illegal border crossers. It gives them a sense of hope that the Democrats will help them to stay. They aren't wrong because a lot of democrats are crying rivers for illegals.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I just love seeing all these whypipo triggered by history and the truth lmao
youth slang = no education, no future, no manners and no life. Choose accordingly. Maybe drugs and a short life work for some.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:03 PM
 
Location: under the bridge
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The OP is only surprising to people with a child's understanding of history.
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Old Yesterday, 07:35 AM
 
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False. Right-wing has always meant favoring the landed and business elites over the common people.
You mean like how Democrats support illegal aliens over the common people? Why don't they want illegal aliens removed from our country and our border secured so that the greedy business owners on both the right and left can't hire them?
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Old Yesterday, 09:24 AM
 
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Just one correction.
"We were the marionettes...." This has continued.

Honduras is considered a narco state. The current president got elected in 2013 with help of his brother who is in jail in New York for drug trafficking. He gave $1.5 million for the campaign. Then the president changed the constitution and stole the elections last year, all under the blessing of the US.

If you ask any person in Honduras they will tell you the huge power the US embassy have over the government. They don't even call it the American embassy, it is THE embassy.

The drug problem and violence got a lot worst in early 2000's when the war on drugs was started by the US, then the 2009 coup, and now this president is under great pressure. Anything but letting the people rule themselves, a great example of imperialism. But the rest of Latin America has a similar history.

And I didn't explain how they get screwed economically by the north.

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