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Old 08-14-2019, 09:39 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Rising fuel prices will shut down most of global trade. Many factors are combining to end mechanized megafarming: aquifer depletion, climate change, soil erosion, pests becoming immune to pesticides, etc. Small farms with human and animal labor will return and become most of the economy. Subsistence farming is a life of poverty, but it's better than the nation starving to death.
Subsistence farming IS "the nation starving to death". It's not productive enough to feed everyone. Wayyyyyyyy too many people nowadays to feed.

Ken
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:24 AM
Status: "This is the best of all possible plutocracies." (set 12 days ago)
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Rising fuel prices will shut down most of global trade. Many factors are combining to end mechanized megafarming: aquifer depletion, climate change, soil erosion, pests becoming immune to pesticides, etc. Small farms with human and animal labor will return and become most of the economy. Subsistence farming is a life of poverty, but it's better than the nation starving to death.
I agree that mechanized megafarming will end, for the reasons you mention and others.

But that doesn't mean a return to traditional subsistence farming.

Increasingly, food will be grown in labs. Everything will be derived from microorganisms (mainly algae, but probably also animal microorganisms). https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/impossible-burger

Small farms will still exist, but their old-fashioned natural products will be high-end and expensive. And I'm pretty sure we'll see more hydroponics, both industrial scale and individual scale.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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I agree that mechanized megafarming will end, for the reasons you mention and others.

But that doesn't mean a return to traditional subsistence farming.

Increasingly, food will be grown in labs. Everything will be derived from microorganisms (mainly algae, but probably also animal microorganisms). https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/impossible-burger

Small farms will still exist, but their old-fashioned natural products will be high-end and expensive. And I'm pretty sure we'll see more hydroponics, both industrial scale and individual scale.
Bingo.

NCSU is already researching artificial photosynthesis.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:35 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Bingo.

NCSU is already researching artificial photosynthesis.
Um, Soylent Green - YUM!!!!

Ken
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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It'll be a great day in the US and around the world and a joke on Trump when his crucial Midwest farmer coalition doesn't show up to the polls

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...war-escalation
I don't know that there is anything that will keep his supporters from voting for him. It appears that they are happy to swallow his lies, especially the ones that he cares about them. Of course, giving them bailouts probably helps too.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:38 AM
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After I posted the above, this landed in my inbox - https://psmag.com/social-justice/the...n-earth?omhide
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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It's not how "liberals" feel about it that's the issue. It's how the FARMERS feel about it - and how they feel about TRUMP. So far, they are still hanging with him, but if the trade war doesn't end soon - and it's looking like it probably won't - those farmers will probably not be so loyal to Trump anymore. His policies are destroying their livelihood.

Ken
There you go trying to apply logical thinking to a Trump Cultist. Their world is constantly being overrun by Liberals, Mexicans, Muslims, and now - basements full of "whining farmers".

Want to bet dollars to donuts that Trump has never set foot on a real farm? Or has a clue how an American farming operation is run? You are right farmers here in the Midwest are a practical lot and they will not hesitate to kick Trump to the curb.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:43 AM
 
Location: FL
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Farmers are going broke, losing their farmers, committing suicide, ... and he's making lame jokes?

What is wrong with the man?
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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Will soybean farmers be in the permanent dole like corn farmers?
Trump voters are fine with welfare as long as it goes towards his base or corporations
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:48 AM
 
Location: FL
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They’re whining because they aren’t getting enough taxpayer subsidies, something the liberals love to dish out.
You mean Trump likes to dish out.
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