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Old 08-13-2019, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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How is it exploitable when someone voluntarily takes the job?
Work or starve thats not voluntary
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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The logical solution is an EU-esque guest worker program that allows low skill Mexican immigrants to work in the economy legally. Why not?
^^^I've advocated a guest worker program, Canada has one.

Basically, level the playing field and do away with all the crazy illegal immigration and so forth.

Problem is that you have to pay them reasonably.

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Old 08-13-2019, 10:16 AM
 
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How is it exploitable when someone voluntarily takes the job?
The appropriate use of the word "voluntarily" seems to be the sticking point between how we view this issue.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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They had a guy on from the Trump admin and of course he's spinning the new immigration enforcement thing, the host is trying to push back at the other angle, overall a pretty fair exchange.

Call ends and the host gets this expert on the line that had listened in to get their concerns, which would be roughly "equal time" so fair enough but you'd think they'd get an equal chance to rebut each other but yeah, that wasn't the plan.

Up until this point, I'm fine with it but then it happens....

The caller complains that several companies that provide home service are upset because THEY PAY THESE IMMIGRANTS SUPER LOW WAGES SO THEY RELY ON FOODSTAMPS ETC. THEY'RE CONCERNED THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND ENOUGH WORKERS. (Hey, wasn't that the complaint for years against Walmart? Now it's ok I guess. )

I'm hearing this and thinking well gee, with supply and demand won't that mean they would have to pay more to fill those jobs? Whatever happened to the push for higher min wage?

In short, the complaint was that companies wouldn't have as much exploitable cheap labor.

That's it in a nutshell folks. Corporate America exploits illegal and legal immigrants for cheap labor that suppresses wages not only for them but throughout blue collar labor in the USA.

They've waged a great campaign by funding both the left and the right, any complaints about the system are deemed "racist" (talk about flipping complaints about exploitation huh? That's like a masters class in evil right there).
My understanding is that undocumented workers do jobs that American workers will not do. Think picking vegetables or doing dairy farm work. I believe there is a program that allows some Mexican workers to cross from Mexico to do harvesting, but they go back to Mexico after harvest. But undocumented workers abound in restaurant kitchens, chicken and catfish processing plants and meat butchering and processing plants.

The truth is, we need those workers. Of course, I want them to be paid a living wage, and that would drive up prices. But undocumented workers give false SS numbers, they pay into the system, and never receive benefits. There is a lot of focus on them being recipients, but in reality, they also give back. Our birth rate continues to fall. IMO, we need these workers to do work most Americans won’t do, and to pay into Social Security. Of course, I would also want them to be able to live here legally.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Little Rock, AR
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That is it in a nutshell OP
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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What about the sex workers/prostitutes who are of the dangers of being a hooker/pimp but they choose to do that line of work? In this example, I mean those who did or do have the choice to do another job but they decided on the sex industry.
Some did. Years ago they tried to form a union. COYOTE

But, there's a lot more to it than is demonstrated by this post.

Not every hooker is working her way through law school. Many are trafficked.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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How come we don't create a workers visa program like they do in Canada? That way they are not risking their lives to come here, they will be subject to the same labor laws as other Americans and can support their families back where they come from and they will address the labor shortage. It would be seasonal, so that way they can go back home when their services are no longer needed. Either way, migrants will continue to come, but this way we can keep it under control and it's fair to both parties.
We already have that. It's seasonal, only the breadwinner comes here, not his wife and kids so no strain on our school systems. They make money and then go back home.

Last year I heard they were streamlining it because beaches needed seasonal workers and couldn't get them fast enough. By the time they god here, beach season was gone. So what happened? Streamlined? Or did nothing get done?
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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NPR is SJW propaganda.



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Old 08-13-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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They had a guy on from the Trump admin and of course he's spinning the new immigration enforcement thing, the host is trying to push back at the other angle, overall a pretty fair exchange.

Call ends and the host gets this expert on the line that had listened in to get their concerns, which would be roughly "equal time" so fair enough but you'd think they'd get an equal chance to rebut each other but yeah, that wasn't the plan.

Up until this point, I'm fine with it but then it happens....

The caller complains that several companies that provide home service are upset because THEY PAY THESE IMMIGRANTS SUPER LOW WAGES SO THEY RELY ON FOODSTAMPS ETC. THEY'RE CONCERNED THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND ENOUGH WORKERS. (Hey, wasn't that the complaint for years against Walmart? Now it's ok I guess. )

I'm hearing this and thinking well gee, with supply and demand won't that mean they would have to pay more to fill those jobs? Whatever happened to the push for higher min wage?

In short, the complaint was that companies wouldn't have as much exploitable cheap labor.

That's it in a nutshell folks. Corporate America exploits illegal and legal immigrants for cheap labor that suppresses wages not only for them but throughout blue collar labor in the USA.

They've waged a great campaign by funding both the left and the right, any complaints about the system are deemed "racist" (talk about flipping complaints about exploitation huh? That's like a masters class in evil right there).
ITA with the blue and had this opinion over 10 years ago when illegal immigration was a huge issue in the State of Georgia and it heavily influenced/impacted by career at the time because I was a construction project manager who primarily administered/oversaw projects funded by ARRA. The state leglislatures in GA initiated a requirement for e-verify for all government funded construction jobs, I believe in 2010. I remember a very uncomfortable meeting with my boss at the time. Her husband owned a construction company and he was upset that the law was passed because he didn't want to pay the workers their required Davis Bacon wages (which for the lowest paid/general laborers were about $20 an hour - he had been paying illegal immigrants less than $10 an hour and I guess pocketing the rest - she wouldn't get into it and he was a contractor for other government projects, not our business/office so I couldn't cite him or recommend him to be debarred for doing so - she stopped giving info after she said some rather racist things and got everyone heated in the meeting - she basically said that her husband could pay them less and they'd "work harder" than black people or white Americans and that he should be able to do so. Both black and white co-workers at the meeting were upset and I had to warn her to stop the conversation as I didn't want to handle any HR complaints being forwarded to our corporate office).

But the whole illegal immigration issue IMO is caused by, going to be honest, usually conservatives/Republicans who were businessmen who want to pay pennies for labor. The blue collar conservatives support them with their votes, which is why it is always kind of hilarious to me that they are the ones always trying to kick out immigrants in regards to lay party members. You should all look at the folks you are electing as oftentimes they support those business owners and their quests for low cost labor over your own employment prospects at a decent wage. FWIW Walmart actually has raised their wages in the past few years. I have a SIL who is a Walmart manager and in our area Walmart employees start at $10 an hour, which is above minimum wage here. I'll also note I don't support a $15 minimum wage IMO that is too high and will hurt small business owners.
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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We already have that. It's seasonal, only the breadwinner comes here, not his wife and kids so no strain on our school systems. They make money and then go back home.

Last year I heard they were streamlining it because beaches needed seasonal workers and couldn't get them fast enough. By the time they god here, beach season was gone. So what happened? Streamlined? Or did nothing get done?
Here in Ohio they use the same program. Here's a link about it. I don't think it has been streamlined yet and it is ridiculous that farmers in Ohio who use agricultural workers have to fill out applications every year for the same workers that come repeatedly.
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