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Old 08-13-2019, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Phoenix,Arizona
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I live in farm/ranch area. They are nothing you describe. They grow what the land yields. Wheat, alfalfa, rye, soy. One farmer I know owns thousands of acres but only farms 50% of it. If prices are good, he will plant more acreage.

He uses combines for harvesting since hand harvesting is too labor intensive and not cost effective. He hauls his grain to the elevators in town. I have helped him and other neighbors in their harvest.

Another neighbor is 78 years old and still going strong.

As I said, you are way off base.



Common sense

Something that the Democratic Socialistic Party will never accept

The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living, think about that !

You just have to respect all that intellectual fire power, it's very clear that The Democratic Socialistic Party has no understanding of how the world works,
no common sense, nothing but abstract, empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.
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Old 08-13-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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I had a relative who grew up during the depression. He got sprayed by a skunk while wearing his main sweater. They tried everything but could not totally get the stink out of it. He had to keep wearing it, because they could not afford to replace it. That's how poor they were.

He became a farmer in the Midwest and retired a multi-millionaire.
The farmers that have survived the brutal challenges and consolidations through the 1970's-2000 were the ones like my friends who drove cheap beater vehicles, fixed their equipment themselves whenever possible and worked thier butts off while making smart decisions.

Post 2000 crop prices started to go up, land values skyrocketed and today they are pretty wealthy.

The OP probably would like to "Mugabe-tize" their land.
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Old 08-13-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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Yep, drought, flooding,fires, hail storms, insect invasions and futures. Farmers have zero control of any of that and they need incentive to switch from what they are used to planting.
That is what a Communist system consists of though.
The state rather than the markets determine what is best for the country which usually never works out well since there is a lot of corruption and hands helping themselves to other peoples money.

The corporate farms, industries and banks love state run "capitalism" in their favor and so do the politicians in bed with them.
Everyone else is on their own.
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Old 08-13-2019, 05:06 PM
 
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They own large scale farms, specialize in a few crops to sell to large buyers and corporate supply chains, and rake in a lot of cash: https://money.cnn.com/2012/11/27/new...ing/index.html


They love their money, and spend hard on 700 thousand dollar tractors and other fancy equipment, and take advantage of cheap migrant labor.

While free trade has destroyed their rural brothers in industrial small towns, free trade has made them even more rich with foriegn markets and subsidies to keep them afloat in low season.

Why then are they not willing to give up anything? In china if the government tells its people not to buy socks because they are in a trade war with the largest sock producing country, they would do it.

So would Koreans, Germans, Japanese, Russians, etc. Why? Because they feel like they are part of something bigger, a country they are willing to stand up for. American farmers only care about themselves. I don't care if you don't like Trump's trade war (I do) but its relevant and important.

China has very little leverage over us except for some agricultural products, so they put a little pain on them. Now there is a lot they can do, stop selling to china, diversify their crop field, find local buyers, form cooperatives, etc.

But they are so greedy they don't want to hear about it. They want a trade deal NOW to return to business as normal. Its all about yourself and your family, their is no greater meaning in life. In China people will happily take the hit and live simpler lives. communities would get together to help each-other and they'd be happy knowing they are helping their country.

American farmers whine as if they've become 15th century French Peasants and they've let globalists like the koch brothers and centrist liberals like third way use them as props to get the government to go back to supporting corporate supply chains in china which have infused our country with cheap goods (hurting us socially) and deprived millions of people of decent jobs, destroyed small businesses, and empowered corporate America.

I'm not a farmer but why do they have to be like this?
I suppose one reason is that the free market and capitalism often has that "It's for me!"-type mentality. Same goes with human greed in general.
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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I know, but they all focus on how farmers are being hurt and who supports them best.

I'm asking why are farmers not able to take the hit and how we got here, the farming policy that has lead to a materialistic farmer dependent on foriegn markets.
Not able to "take the hit"? If current farmers don't own the land they are farming, they are in bad financial shape. If so, the banks won't lend them money for seed and fertilizer in the spring .


Farmers lose money quite often. Farming is a very expensive operation that requires huge expenditures for machinery, seed, chemicals, and land leases (for ground they don't own).


The US government (thankfully not you) has determined that it is important to national security and civil stability to maintain a constant food supply. You can't just turn the spigot off and on when you want.


I have a very small farm in Iowa (500 acres). Most small farmers farm around 3,000 acres, while large farmers can farm up to 100,000.


I suppose you like to eat, don't you? If you and the other liberals can go without eating for a few months, let farms fail. Otherwise, if eating is important to you, such a practice may not be wise. Keep in mind that the food stamp and ag bills are closely tied. Do you want foodstamps to end?
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Old 08-13-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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I know, but they all focus on how farmers are being hurt and who supports them best.

I'm asking why are farmers not able to take the hit and how we got here, the farming policy that has lead to a materialistic farmer dependent on foriegn markets.
People have tried time and again to educate you on why farming is in the state it's in here in the US.

You are not interested in learning.
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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People have tried time and again to educate you on why farming is in the state it's in here in the US.

You are not interested in learning.

So far all I have gotten is that land prices and equipment are expensive to uphold and require profit.

My question is, if you are a farmer struggling because one market is not available, why can't you diversify your crop output and find new buyers?

I get seasonal changes make it hard to pick and choose what you grow and when, but dedicating your crop yield towards one or two buyers does affect production.

And the cost of maintaining your farm is relative to the scale of production, not just in terms of total acreage. There's a problem when you need to spend half a million dollars on a tractor to stay in business.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:03 PM
 
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Not able to "take the hit"? If current farmers don't own the land they are farming, they are in bad financial shape. If so, the banks won't lend them money for seed and fertilizer in the spring .


Farmers lose money quite often. Farming is a very expensive operation that requires huge expenditures for machinery, seed, chemicals, and land leases (for ground they don't own).


The US government (thankfully not you) has determined that it is important to national security and civil stability to maintain a constant food supply. You can't just turn the spigot off and on when you want.


I have a very small farm in Iowa (500 acres). Most small farmers farm around 3,000 acres, while large farmers can farm up to 100,000.


I suppose you like to eat, don't you? If you and the other liberals can go without eating for a few months, let farms fail. Otherwise, if eating is important to you, such a practice may not be wise. Keep in mind that the food stamp and ag bills are closely tied. Do you want foodstamps to end?



Oh, yeah? I suppose you like to use your phone. What kind of subsidies are the US semiconductor makers getting? Do tell.


Oh, and they are important to national security. Very important.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:49 PM
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IMO farmers don't care if Trump gets a trade deal with China as long as he's giving them billions of dollars in subsidies and tariff relief. I see no urgency with farmers as all.

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A Missouri Republican rep (Vicki Hartzler) railed against subsidies to get elected. After elected it came out that her families' farms were getting tens of thousands in yearly subsidies. Can't trust them.
I saw that. The newspaper listed a link to all the subsidies being given to Kansas and Missouri farmers. People can look up recipients by name.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...233405312.html

Bet these same farmers complain about socialism while they are cashing their handouts.

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People have tried time and again to educate you on why farming is in the state it's in here in the US.

You are not interested in learning.
The answer is simple. There are too many farmers. Some need to get jobs in other industries. If they can't turn a profit with $50 BILLION in taxpayer handouts (insane for less than 2% of the population) they need to cash out and move on.

It appears more and more "anti-socialist" Trump supporters are getting Trump handouts courtesy of US taxpayers.

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Old Yesterday, 05:54 PM
 
Location: california
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Seem you all have forgotten all about the storms last winter .
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