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Old Yesterday, 06:13 PM
 
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Oh, yeah? I suppose you like to use your phone. What kind of subsidies are the US semiconductor makers getting? Do tell.


Oh, and they are important to national security. Very important.


Your cell phone is not vital to national security. Your food and water source is.


The nation could live without getting a new cell phone every two years. However, no one could survive by giving up food for a year.
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Old Yesterday, 08:01 PM
 
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Your cell phone is not vital to national security. Your food and water source is.


The nation could live without getting a new cell phone every two years. However, no one could survive by giving up food for a year.
Sorry, I just could not resist and did this on purpose.


You need to get educated what else is that they make in addition to the cell phone chips.

P.s. if everybody was buying new phones as rarely as I do, the industry would not survive, lol.

I'm also going to wait on a comment about socialistic subsidies.

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Old Yesterday, 08:05 PM
 
Location: southern california
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New Definition of a greedy person someone with more than you
A successful person
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Old Today, 06:49 AM
 
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Why are American farmers so selfish?
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They own large scale farms, specialize in a few crops to sell to large buyers and corporate supply chains, and rake in a lot of cash: https://money.cnn.com/2012/11/27/new...ing/index.html


They love their money, and spend hard on 700 thousand dollar tractors and other fancy equipment, and take advantage of cheap migrant labor.
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Both parties support various forms of socialism. That's why we're headed downhill.

Liberals have a point about corporate welfare. The problem is, they use one type of government bloat as an excuse to create more forms of government bloat--ones they find more palatable. This is how the dynamic of ever larger, ever more totalitarian government works.
To be fair, liberals see problems where real people are seriously hurting, and try to come up with fair ways to mitigate that suffering and help them out of their predicaments.

So-called 'conservative' politicians tend to focus on making sure business people who send them checks keep sending those donations.

The days of 'forty acres and a mule' have been long gone. Larger farmers are essentially running agri-businesses, and they (like most sophisticated businesspersons) have little to no concern about the sufferings of ordinary people they are not related to, they want to keep their labor costs down. If they can also take financial advantage of some programs in the Farm Bill, bonus! They don't see the contradiction.

Not all farmers are so big and indifferent, but too many are. They are the rural equivalent of other types of businesses in the urban areas, often indifferent to the plight of ordinary folks around them and focused exclusively on keeping costs down (all costs, including labor) and getting as many freebies and tax breaks from the government as possible. They send money to Republican political campaigns and they expect results.
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Old Today, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yep, drought, flooding,fires, hail storms, insect invasions and futures. Farmers have zero control of any of that and they need incentive to switch from what they are used to planting.
Federal Government underwrites multi- peril crop insurance and subsidizes ( socializes) premiums.
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Old Today, 07:14 AM
 
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Not able to "take the hit"? If current farmers don't own the land they are farming, they are in bad financial shape. If so, the banks won't lend them money for seed and fertilizer in the spring .


Farmers lose money quite often. Farming is a very expensive operation that requires huge expenditures for machinery, seed, chemicals, and land leases (for ground they don't own).


The US government (thankfully not you) has determined that it is important to national security and civil stability to maintain a constant food supply. You can't just turn the spigot off and on when you want.


I have a very small farm in Iowa (500 acres). Most small farmers farm around 3,000 acres, while large farmers can farm up to 100,000.


I suppose you like to eat, don't you? If you and the other liberals can go without eating for a few months, let farms fail. Otherwise, if eating is important to you, such a practice may not be wise. Keep in mind that the food stamp and ag bills are closely tied. Do you want foodstamps to end?
The food I buy at the grocery store most likely is imported. Very little comes from American farmers, unless one goes to the farmers market or a local produce stand.

IIRC, millions of that money paid to farmer's the first time they were the victims of Trump's tariff went to Brazilian meat packers.
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Old Today, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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To the OP - dairy and soy bean farmers in Minnesota and other parts of the midwest are absolutely getting destroyed right now, with many reporting huge losses and facing bankruptcy.
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Old Today, 08:03 AM
 
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The food I buy at the grocery store most likely is imported. Very little comes from American farmers, unless one goes to the farmers market or a local produce stand.

IIRC, millions of that money paid to farmer's the first time they were the victims of Trump's tariff went to Brazilian meat packers.
Do you eat Chinese dog food?
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Old Today, 08:04 AM
 
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Why are American farmers so selfish?
To be fair, liberals see problems where real people are seriously hurting, and try to come up with fair ways to mitigate that suffering and help them out of their predicaments.

So-called 'conservative' politicians tend to focus on making sure business people who send them checks keep sending those donations.

The days of 'forty acres and a mule' have been long gone. Larger farmers are essentially running agri-businesses, and they (like most sophisticated businesspersons) have little to no concern about the sufferings of ordinary people they are not related to, they want to keep their labor costs down. If they can also take financial advantage of some programs in the Farm Bill, bonus! They don't see the contradiction.

Not all farmers are so big and indifferent, but too many are. They are the rural equivalent of other types of businesses in the urban areas, often indifferent to the plight of ordinary folks around them and focused exclusively on keeping costs down (all costs, including labor) and getting as many freebies and tax breaks from the government as possible. They send money to Republican political campaigns and they expect results.
Cool story bro.

The average farmer does not send money to political campaigns.
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Old Today, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Cool story bro.

The average farmer does not send money to political campaigns.
The average farmer is doing fine. Their neighbors in rural communities are not.

Farming (which is a business) are to rural community as Financial executives are to urban communities.
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