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Old Today, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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They own large scale farms, specialize in a few crops to sell to large buyers and corporate supply chains, and rake in a lot of cash: https://money.cnn.com/2012/11/27/new...ing/index.html


They love their money, and spend hard on 700 thousand dollar tractors and other fancy equipment, and take advantage of cheap migrant labor.

While free trade has destroyed their rural brothers in industrial small towns, free trade has made them even more rich with foriegn markets and subsidies to keep them afloat in low season.

Why then are they not willing to give up anything? In china if the government tells its people not to buy socks because they are in a trade war with the largest sock producing country, they would do it.

So would Koreans, Germans, Japanese, Russians, etc. Why? Because they feel like they are part of something bigger, a country they are willing to stand up for. American farmers only care about themselves. I don't care if you don't like Trump's trade war (I do) but its relevant and important.

China has very little leverage over us except for some agricultural products, so they put a little pain on them. Now there is a lot they can do, stop selling to china, diversify their crop field, find local buyers, form cooperatives, etc.

But they are so greedy they don't want to hear about it. They want a trade deal NOW to return to business as normal. Its all about yourself and your family, their is no greater meaning in life. In China people will happily take the hit and live simpler lives. communities would get together to help each-other and they'd be happy knowing they are helping their country.

American farmers whine as if they've become 15th century French Peasants and they've let globalists like the koch brothers and centrist liberals like third way use them as props to get the government to go back to supporting corporate supply chains in china which have infused our country with cheap goods (hurting us socially) and deprived millions of people of decent jobs, destroyed small businesses, and empowered corporate America.

I'm not a farmer but why do they have to be like this?
That portion in red says it all. Unless you are a farmer, you have no idea of the challenges they face every day. Farming isn't like manufacturing, farmers face weather and other obstacles, and their crops can be wiped out in a heartbeat.

It is so easy to sit back and judge another person's life, especially if we do not know what we are talking about. If you think they are raking in all that cash, I suggest you buy a farm and partake of some of that easy money !
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Old Today, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Why are American farmers so selfish?

Better question:

Why is tRump picking winners and losers?

Up til now, Pubs would lose their tiny minds when govt policy favored or damaged sectors of our economy.

Today, Pubs lick tRump's boots regardless.

Carry on.

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Old Today, 08:23 AM
 
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The average farmer is doing fine. Their neighbors in rural communities are not.

Farming (which is a business) are to rural community as Financial executives are to urban communities.
It's cool how you lump all people into about three categories and then state how they are all doing.
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Old Today, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It's cool how you lump all people into about three categories and then state how they are all doing.
Farming is a lucrative business. They can produce food and fuel, and they play a major role in the global supply chain. Its really a commodity business.

Big family owned farms are the major economic power in rural areas, and these farmers leave everyone else out on the pasture.

Their is a lot of poverty in rural communities, and big industrial farmers do nothing, just hire cheap labor, spend on expense farming equipment, and rake in money.

They're a tool for investors to make money and they don't care as long as they get paid.
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Old Today, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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food doesn't grow in frozen plastic bags and cans at the supermarket. Thought you would want to know that.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
They own large scale farms, specialize in a few crops to sell to large buyers and corporate supply chains, and rake in a lot of cash: https://money.cnn.com/2012/11/27/new...ing/index.html


They love their money, and spend hard on 700 thousand dollar tractors and other fancy equipment, and take advantage of cheap migrant labor.

While free trade has destroyed their rural brothers in industrial small towns, free trade has made them even more rich with foriegn markets and subsidies to keep them afloat in low season.

Why then are they not willing to give up anything? In china if the government tells its people not to buy socks because they are in a trade war with the largest sock producing country, they would do it.

So would Koreans, Germans, Japanese, Russians, etc. Why? Because they feel like they are part of something bigger, a country they are willing to stand up for. American farmers only care about themselves. I don't care if you don't like Trump's trade war (I do) but its relevant and important.

China has very little leverage over us except for some agricultural products, so they put a little pain on them. Now there is a lot they can do, stop selling to china, diversify their crop field, find local buyers, form cooperatives, etc.

But they are so greedy they don't want to hear about it. They want a trade deal NOW to return to business as normal. Its all about yourself and your family, their is no greater meaning in life. In China people will happily take the hit and live simpler lives. communities would get together to help each-other and they'd be happy knowing they are helping their country.

American farmers whine as if they've become 15th century French Peasants and they've let globalists like the koch brothers and centrist liberals like third way use them as props to get the government to go back to supporting corporate supply chains in china which have infused our country with cheap goods (hurting us socially) and deprived millions of people of decent jobs, destroyed small businesses, and empowered corporate America.

I'm not a farmer but why do they have to be like this?
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Old Today, 08:35 AM
 
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Farming is a lucrative business. They can produce food and fuel, and they play a major role in the global supply chain. Its really a commodity business.

Big family owned farms are the major economic power in rural areas, and these farmers leave everyone else out on the pasture.

Their is a lot of poverty in rural communities, and big industrial farmers do nothing, just hire cheap labor, spend on expense farming equipment, and rake in money.

They're a tool for investors to make money and they don't care as long as they get paid.
So enlightening.
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Old Today, 08:39 AM
 
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Why are American farmers so selfish?

Better question:

Why is tRump picking winners and losers?

Up til now, Pubs would lose their tiny minds when govt policy favored or damaged sectors of our economy.

Today, Pubs lick tRump's boots regardless.

Carry on.



Do you mean like when Obama preferentially funneled money to his political cronies and dem districts with the "stimulus" money? Or when the Clintons rewarded donors to the Clinton foundation with generous government contracts? How about Biden's banking deals with China?


Dems do not have a leg to stand on when discussing corruption or favoritism, as they have made a cottage industry of "pay for play" politics.


"Selfish" was a word commonly used by Obama when promoting income redistribution and higher taxes. Isn't it funny that Obama is now so "selfish" that he has accumulated $60 million after leaving office? Why is he so SELFISH?
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Old Today, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
Farming is a lucrative business. They can produce food and fuel, and they play a major role in the global supply chain. Its really a commodity business.

Big family owned farms are the major economic power in rural areas, and these farmers leave everyone else out on the pasture.

Their is a lot of poverty in rural communities, and big industrial farmers do nothing, just hire cheap labor, spend on expense farming equipment, and rake in money.

They're a tool for investors to make money and they don't care as long as they get paid.

If it is so "easy and lucrative" go out and get yourself a tractor and 40 acres and then come back in a year and tell us how great it was. I would think anyone would want to jump on that big money bandwagon !
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Old Today, 09:03 AM
 
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If it is so "easy and lucrative" go out and get yourself a tractor and 40 acres and then come back in a year and tell us how great it was. I would think anyone would want to jump on that big money bandwagon !
It's so easy. These farmers just sit back and take in millions. And they control government. And they also have the nerve to buy expensive equipment! What bad people.
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Old Today, 09:04 AM
 
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Many of you talking past each other and agreeing at the same time. There are two categories everyone is mentioning so perhaps we should separate them for clarity.

1) Big Farm Corps. Corporations that brought out the mom and Pops, control the operation from start to finish. This seems to be what the OP is referring too

2) Traditional farmers, family farms that are still controlled and operated by the family. These farmers are not the ones the OP would be referring too just by the information in his post. I think most of us agree that this group is in serious trouble.

I do think many Americans are upset with the size of the bailouts for farmers, more specifically why they are needed and why they keep going up. Many in America are in tuff spots, student loans are ridiculous, rent is too high in many areas compared to pay but there is no bail out for them. Resentment is real and its aimed at the federal government more than farmers but BIG FARM (Large corporate Farm companies) might be the next target.
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