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Old Yesterday, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Do you mean like when Obama preferentially funneled money to his political cronies and dem districts with the "stimulus" money? Or when the Clintons rewarded donors to the Clinton foundation with generous government contracts? How about Biden's banking deals with China?


Dems do not have a leg to stand on when discussing corruption or favoritism, as they have made a cottage industry of "pay for play" politics.


"Selfish" was a word commonly used by Obama when promoting income redistribution and higher taxes. Isn't it funny that Obama is now so "selfish" that he has accumulated $60 million after leaving office? Why is he so SELFISH?

Nope

I mean Pubs whimpering and whining about the above Obama/Clinton actions while solidly supporting tRump's idiotic trade wars that definitely damage wide swaths of the US economy.

And the effects of that economic stupidity are beginning to surface, with more to follow.

The current mutation of the GOP into tRump's lapdogs will cause much grief to our country as his bootlickers stand mindlessly by, chanting "build that wall!" Republicans used to brag about their economic stewardship. Of course, that was in the Pre-Dubya days.

Stay tuned.

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Old Yesterday, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Many of you talking past each other and agreeing at the same time. There are two categories everyone is mentioning so perhaps we should separate them for clarity.

1) Big Farm Corps. Corporations that brought out the mom and Pops, control the operation from start to finish. This seems to be what the OP is referring too

2) Traditional farmers, family farms that are still controlled and operated by the family. These farmers are not the ones the OP would be referring too just by the information in his post. I think most of us agree that this group is in serious trouble.

I do think many Americans are upset with the size of the bailouts for farmers, more specifically why they are needed and why they keep going up. Many in America are in tuff spots, student loans are ridiculous, rent is too high in many areas compared to pay but there is no bail out for them. Resentment is real and its aimed at the federal government more than farmers but BIG FARM (Large corporate Farm companies) might be the next target.

And who just handed out more money to farmers because his tariff war caused those farmers a lot of losses ?

Trump is feeding them money to keep them quiet and keep their support.
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Old Yesterday, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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And who just handed out more money to farmers because his tariff war caused those farmers a lot of losses ?

Trump is feeding them money to keep them quiet and keep their support.
Trump shouldn't bail them out, he should force them to change their market practices and cut down on expensive expenditures.
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Old Yesterday, 10:17 AM
 
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Trump shouldn't bail them out, he should force them to change their market practices and cut down on expensive expenditures.
You don't want to understand how implicit the government is in this, and we are talking decades not just Trump.

Force them to change their market practices? What does that even mean?

And you have a problem with expensive equipment as if they really have a choice. Farm equipment is expensive. Go run a competitive farm without it. It's one thing to be ignorant. It's another to be foolish. You left ignorant about six miles back.
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Old Yesterday, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Agriculture is just another form of business, people are in it to make money, just like people that run cable channels or manufacture electronic widgets.
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Old Yesterday, 02:16 PM
 
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Agriculture is just another form of business, people are in it to make money, just like people that run cable channels or manufacture electronic widgets.
Excluding family farms, yes.
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Old Yesterday, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You don't want to understand how implicit the government is in this, and we are talking decades not just Trump.

Force them to change their market practices? What does that even mean?

And you have a problem with expensive equipment as if they really have a choice. Farm equipment is expensive. Go run a competitive farm without it. It's one thing to be ignorant. It's another to be foolish. You left ignorant about six miles back.
Marketing to a few large scale buyers, going into massive debt to afford heavy equipment and industrialize your farm into a corporate structure.

These are bad marketing decisions. Bad or good weather doesn't matter.
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Old Yesterday, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Excluding family farms, yes.
Family farms can be industrialized.

I think you mean hobby farms.
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Old Yesterday, 02:28 PM
 
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Family farms can be industrialized.

I think you mean hobby farms.
No I mean family farms. Except for the Amish they've been industrialized for decades.

Please explain to us what industrializing a family farm means in 2019...
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Old Yesterday, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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No I mean family farms. Except for the Amish they've been industrialized for decades.

Please explain to us what industrializing a family farm means in 2019...
large scale heavy production that is profitable.

Hobby farms aren't corporate modeled, and they are often run at a lost or with a profit margin of no significant degree.

I'm against the corporate farm model that mass produces crops as a commodity to feed livestock and act as an energy source such as bioethanol.

Corporate farming is not family farming, but to compete family farms market their goods and build up production capacities in the same; pooling together money into a cooperative for large scale industrial farming is another tool they can use.

This is bad for family farms and America.
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