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Old Yesterday, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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They own large scale farms, specialize in a few crops to sell to large buyers and corporate supply chains, and rake in a lot of cash: https://money.cnn.com/2012/11/27/new...ing/index.html


They love their money, and spend hard on 700 thousand dollar tractors and other fancy equipment, and take advantage of cheap migrant labor.

While free trade has destroyed their rural brothers in industrial small towns, free trade has made them even more rich with foriegn markets and subsidies to keep them afloat in low season.

Why then are they not willing to give up anything? In china if the government tells its people not to buy socks because they are in a trade war with the largest sock producing country, they would do it.

So would Koreans, Germans, Japanese, Russians, etc. Why? Because they feel like they are part of something bigger, a country they are willing to stand up for. American farmers only care about themselves. I don't care if you don't like Trump's trade war (I do) but its relevant and important.

China has very little leverage over us except for some agricultural products, so they put a little pain on them. Now there is a lot they can do, stop selling to china, diversify their crop field, find local buyers, form cooperatives, etc.

But they are so greedy they don't want to hear about it. They want a trade deal NOW to return to business as normal. Its all about yourself and your family, their is no greater meaning in life. In China people will happily take the hit and live simpler lives. communities would get together to help each-other and they'd be happy knowing they are helping their country.

American farmers whine as if they've become 15th century French Peasants and they've let globalists like the koch brothers and centrist liberals like third way use them as props to get the government to go back to supporting corporate supply chains in china which have infused our country with cheap goods (hurting us socially) and deprived millions of people of decent jobs, destroyed small businesses, and empowered corporate America.

I'm not a farmer but why do they have to be like this?

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Old Yesterday, 11:13 AM
 
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Farm corps being subsidized by our govt. Smells like socialism to me. And the deficit courtesy of Trump.....all-time high. So really, isn't time we label Trump head of the GOP-socialist party?
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Old Yesterday, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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there are numerous existing "role of farming in the Chinese trade war" topics.
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Old Yesterday, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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there are numerous existing "role of farming in the Chinese trade war" topics.
I know, but they all focus on how farmers are being hurt and who supports them best.

I'm asking why are farmers not able to take the hit and how we got here, the farming policy that has lead to a materialistic farmer dependent on foriegn markets.
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Old Yesterday, 11:26 AM
 
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Farm corps being subsidized by our govt. Smells like socialism to me. And the deficit courtesy of Trump.....all-time high. So really, isn't time we label Trump head of the GOP-socialist party?
Both parties support various forms of socialism. That's why we're headed downhill.

Liberals have a point about corporate welfare. The problem is, they use one type of government bloat as an excuse to create more forms of government bloat--ones they find more palatable. This is how the dynamic of ever larger, ever more totalitarian government works.

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Old Yesterday, 02:46 PM
 
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Trump wages a tariff war to force Chinese to abandon technology transfer stipulation on American corps. It is not about fair wages, fair environment, fair anything it is all about American corps using China as a dumping ground for waste and giving nothing back except meager wages. So what's in it for you? How it will bring jobs back? Trump war is all about American corps using China & Chinese for less in perpetuity. How will that benefit you?
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Old Yesterday, 02:51 PM
 
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I have relatives staunch anti-Obama racists from Iowa who voted for Trump and I ask them how the Soy farmers are liking what's going on and these folks are highly educated Iowans and mums the word --- no matter how much Trump screws Iowans over with the trade war - they hated Obama with a passion and will never admit to the mistake of supporting Trump.
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Old Yesterday, 02:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I know, but they all focus on how farmers are being hurt and who supports them best.

I'm asking why are farmers not able to take the hit and how we got here, the farming policy that has lead to a materialistic farmer dependent on foriegn markets.
Well, let's take a look. I get x amount of money for a bushel of wheat. When that falls off it cuts into my margin. Or what's left of it. A good half of my land is rented. My equipment payments are about 3000 dollars a month.I pay customer cutters so I don't have to buy even more equipment. I could maybe absorb one year of no profit at all but after two I'm done. BK and selling off everything.

I didn't ask for a subsidy. The Govt said I'm going to turn over a number of acres and they are going to pay for it. I didn't get a choice and it wasn't near what I would have gotten for it had it produced.


Oh, and once that wheat leaves my truck I am not responsible for it. I have no idea where it ends up.
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Old Yesterday, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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I know, but they all focus on how farmers are being hurt and who supports them best.

I'm asking why are farmers not able to take the hit and how we got here, the farming policy that has lead to a materialistic farmer dependent on foriegn markets.
not even close.

otherwise, you clearly know even less about farm economics than me. I wouldn't even claim to be more than a novice, but I understand that the original over-arching reason for "farm subsidies" was to even out the wide variances in crop production because of weather fluctuation, and the wide variation in market prices that cannot be perfectly anticipated months ahead when the crops are planned and planted.
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Old Yesterday, 03:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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not even close.

otherwise, you clearly know even less about farm economics than me. I wouldn't even claim to be more than a novice, but I understand that the original over-arching reason for "farm subsidies" was to even out the wide variances in crop production because of weather fluctuation, and the wide variation in market prices that cannot be perfectly anticipated months ahead when the crops are planned and planted.
Yep, drought, flooding,fires, hail storms, insect invasions and futures. Farmers have zero control of any of that and they need incentive to switch from what they are used to planting.
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