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Old Yesterday, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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That would certainly help. But sadly many items have come to a point where there isn't any product made in the USA anymore. Go try to buy a DVD player for example.
In this case, I look at other options and see if I can find one made in Japan, Canada, or another country whom we have more balanced trade with.
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Old Yesterday, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Smoot and Hawley did not go down in history as great men.

You would think we would have learned.

I suggest so called conservatives read Milton Friedman.

My 401K has gone nowhere in 20 months Mr. Trump.

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Old Yesterday, 10:29 AM
 
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tariffs help and are needed

if you buy American..you wont pay


if you want china junk..be prepared to pay



an import tariff is a good thing

how about this question


why is Apple (an American company) manufacturing all its products in china, and not the Silicon Valley???? why should apple be allowed to import its foreign made products into the USA for free??? why is Apple screwing Americans, selling phones at $700+ a pop, while they are making them for 80 cents by paying slave wages to Chinese and not American wages to Americans??






I, and most educated Americans, want the iPhone/ipad made in America,... Apple is an American company, it should be making its product here, using an American workforce, made by Americans, for Americans @ American wages


that is the point of these tariffs, to reverse the outsourcing from the globalist liberal policies of "freetrade"


the key to these tariffs, not the country of origin, but that American companies have outsourced our labor force


why should GE (an American company HQ'd in Boston) make all its alarm clocks etc in Mexico and Malaysia???
think about it
median USA hourly wage is 23-25/hr
median Mexico wage 160/week

and you wonder why GE makes all its alarm clocks in Mexico.... and PAYS ZERO to import them to the USA... do you think that is really fair??




why should GM (an American company HQ'd in Detroit, MI) make all its vehicles in Mexico???
think about it
GM assembly plant average hourly wage USA hourly wage is 45/hr
median Mexico wage 160/week

and you wonder why GM moved its assembly plants to Mexico.... and PAYS ZERO to import them to the USA... do you think that is really fair??




why should Apple (an American company HQ'd in Cupertino, California, ) make all its iphines, ipads, etc in china
think about it
median USA hourly wage is 23-25/hr
median china wage 228/week

and you wonder why Apple makes all its electronics in China and not the Silicon Valley.... and PAYS ZERO to import them to the USA... do you think that is really fair??




trump is trying to fix the screwup of the globalist liberals
If your get your wish and everything being purchased now is again manufactured in the U.S. ….. chances are you won't be able to afford them and no other country will buy them …… because other products made elsewhere will knock your socks off.

What you are basically saying with this position is; you are prepared to reduce your market to only American consumers, of whom there are not enough of, and nor will they be making enough money to purchase a new I-Phone every year.

If you, as other than an American, were given a choice between buying a $15 hundred dollar I-phone being made in the U.S. paying wage rates and benefits to those making them and buying a Huawei or Samsung product made in Taiwan for half that cost …….. who would you buy from?

Now here's the other side of this conundrum; NO producers are going to move back given any choice in the matter. The worldwide market vastly outsells the U.S. domestic one with the bulk of mass producers profits coming from the rest of the world NOT the U.S..

Even other western nations are not going to buy more expensive American stuff … just because your workers are again producing but at far greater costs to the consumer while preventing those same western nations from entering your markets..

The days you wish for are gone for good.

Trump told you all a trade war with China was going to be easy to win …. you believed him and look where it's getting you …. a prolonged self inflicted bit of masochism that is not ever going to give you the orgasm you're seeking.
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Old Yesterday, 10:33 AM
 
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The funny part is that US cannot produce everything that China does (or even most of it), there are more jobs than applicants NOW, and you want to add more jobs? That makes no sense.

So we tariff China. Most of those jobs do not come back here, they went to Vietnam and Thailand.

Make South East Asia Great Again? SEAGA - that has a nice ring to it.
EXACTLY!
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Old Yesterday, 10:41 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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So you're saying forget about looking at the problem from the inside out with providing incentives, tax breaks, whatever to provide Companies the financial ability to manufacture in the U.S., but instead just play a tariff war with another country which provides nothing towards actually making better Made In America. Companies move because there isn't nearly enough being done to help Companies stay.


Oh I am looking at the problem from the inside...and I have been saying for over 15 years that the globalist (socialist) "freetrade" deals SCREWED America




tax breaks for certain companies don't work, and are discriminatory as they are not uniform


we had tariffs until the 70s-80s-90s when the globalist liberals eliminated them..... and when did Americas king of manufacturing go down..with the loss of tarrifs, and jobs to overseas


liberals never use their brains




its actually simple..... freetrade (globalization) an invention of liberals (starting during the Carter admin) is not free and costs jobs

the globalist liberals pushed the freetrade agreements

nafta and all her sisters(freetrade agreements) did just that...sent jobs overseas

today we are getting killed by all these 'freetrades'

the freetrade movement started in the 70's and has been chugging alongs, pushed by carter, by bush1(as vp and potus), bush1 even negotiated nafta, pushed by nafta signer Clinton through a democrat controlled congress, and bush2, and obama

you can not have "freetrade" when the costs of living (and manufacturing (to include wages, property taxes, and even utilities) are so uneven


have you ever owned a business....you make ECONOMIC DECISIONS based on SMART MOVES
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example:
you NEED a warehouse for your product (not a showroom where location,location,location is a factor)
nassau county you can get a 2,000,000sf warehouse that will cost you 30k a month
suffolk county you can get a 3,000,000sf warehouse that will cost you 20k a month.....

where do you think you are going to go for a warehouse.........Suffolk if you are smart, costs less and gives you room to expand
GE (an American company)(makes alarm clocks, lightbulbs, etc) it is CHEAPER for GE to make(assemble) an alarm clock in mexico and SHIP it to the USA than it is to make it in the USA(why...costs....wage costs, utility costs, land costs...and CORPORATE TAX COSTS)


you want jobs to come back to the USA...then we need to make it MORE costly for them to ship their product IN than to make it here....lower or even better ELIMINATE the corporate tax..and install import tariffs


one of the biggest problems is taxes to begin with

and not enough import tarrifs, to curb the cheapness of importing into

think about it,,, you have a business, and need to open a ware house:

do you open a warehouse/factory in a city, county, state, or country with a high CORPORATE tax rate or a low tax rate

do you open a warehouse/factory in a city, county, state, or country with a high PROPERTY tax rate or a low tax rate

do you open a warehouse/factory in a city, county, state, or country with a high INCOME tax rate or a low tax rate

do you open a warehouse/factory in a city, county, state, or country with high COST OF LIVING (housing costs, etc) or a low COL

do you open a warehouse/factory in a city, county, state, or country with a high wage expectation, or a low

do you open a warehouse/factory in a city, county, state, or country with high utility rates or lower rates


bet you say low for all those questions

the freetrade agreements (there's like 26 since nafta) nafta/cafta to include Senator Obama's OFTA (freetreade with oman) is what has caused over 50-60 million jobs to leave the USA and to go overseas

ALL should be repealed





get all the 'freetrade' agreements (like nafta and its 26 other sisters) thrown out, and bring back the import tarrifs(like Trump wants to do)... good paying manufacturing jobs and REVENUE will rise dramatically
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Old Yesterday, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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But sadly many items have come to a point where there isn't any product made in the USA anymore.
So? That's a good thing.

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The funny part is that US cannot produce everything that China does (or even most of it), there are more jobs than applicants NOW, and you want to add more jobs? That makes no sense.
Correct.

None of these people understand what it was like.

No such thing as driving all night.

You run out of gas at 9:30 PM on I-75 in Cleveland, Tennessee, you just sleep all night.

Wake up and start walking about 6:30 AM and maybe a gas station will be open by 7:00 AM.

Retail closed at 6:00 PM, grocery around 8:00-9:00 PM, restaurants 9:00-10:00 PM, and maybe 11:00 PM on Friday and Saturday. Nothing was open on Sundays. A lot of people attribute that to "Blue Laws" and while that was true in the South, it wasn't true in New England, the Atlantic Coast, Midwest, Plains States or West.

Long story short, you didn't have the labor.

You got the labor when you started off-shoring jobs to Taiwan. That allowed retail, grocery and hospitality to expand their hours of operation.

It also freed up labor for other jobs.

Some not-too-bright people would have $10/hour workers making DVD players instead of letting another country make DVD players and allowing those workers to make $35-$45/hour in high-tech jobs just so they can feel better about themselves.

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STOP buying foreign made products. problem solved!
Then your Standard of Living goes into a death spiral.

You would need to increase your population to 750 Million to 850 Million assuming an Employment-to-Population Ration of 50% to produce everything and still maintain your current Standard of Living.

Where are you going to find 450 Million to 550 Million people?

Let them immigrate?

Because you're not too big on immigration.

What trade does is free up labor to produce more important things.

The World doesn't really need toasters and DVD players, but it does need high tech equipment.

You can make toasters and DVD players or you can make high tech equipment, but you cannot do both at the same time, because you don't have the labor.
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Old Yesterday, 11:14 AM
 
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If your get your wish and everything being purchased now is again manufactured in the U.S. .. chances are you won't be able to afford them and no other country will buy them because other products made elsewhere will knock your socks off.

What you are basically saying with this position is; you are prepared to reduce your market to only American consumers, of whom there are not enough of, and nor will they be making enough money to purchase a new I-Phone every year.

If you, as other than an American, were given a choice between buying a $15 hundred dollar I-phone being made in the U.S. paying wage rates and benefits to those making them and buying a Huawei or Samsung product made in Taiwan for half that cost .. who would you buy from?

Now here's the other side of this conundrum; NO producers are going to move back given any choice in the matter. The worldwide market vastly outsells the U.S. domestic one with the bulk of mass producers profits coming from the rest of the world NOT the U.S..

Even other western nations are not going to buy more expensive American stuff just because your workers are again producing but at far greater costs to the consumer while preventing those same western nations from entering your markets..

The days you wish for are gone for good.

Trump told you all a trade war with China was going to be easy to win . you believed him and look where it's getting you . a prolonged self inflicted bit of masochism that is not ever going to give you the orgasm you're seeking.
I don't know a single person who thought beating China would be easy. Your need to have everyone you don't like believe everything that Trump says is a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Old Yesterday, 11:18 AM
 
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So? That's a good thing.



Correct.

None of these people understand what it was like.

No such thing as driving all night.

You run out of gas at 9:30 PM on I-75 in Cleveland, Tennessee, you just sleep all night.

Wake up and start walking about 6:30 AM and maybe a gas station will be open by 7:00 AM.

Retail closed at 6:00 PM, grocery around 8:00-9:00 PM, restaurants 9:00-10:00 PM, and maybe 11:00 PM on Friday and Saturday. Nothing was open on Sundays. A lot of people attribute that to "Blue Laws" and while that was true in the South, it wasn't true in New England, the Atlantic Coast, Midwest, Plains States or West.

Long story short, you didn't have the labor.

You got the labor when you started off-shoring jobs to Taiwan. That allowed retail, grocery and hospitality to expand their hours of operation.

It also freed up labor for other jobs.

Some not-too-bright people would have $10/hour workers making DVD players instead of letting another country make DVD players and allowing those workers to make $35-$45/hour in high-tech jobs just so they can feel better about themselves.




Then your Standard of Living goes into a death spiral.

You would need to increase your population to 750 Million to 850 Million assuming an Employment-to-Population Ration of 50% to produce everything and still maintain your current Standard of Living.

Where are you going to find 450 Million to 550 Million people?

Let them immigrate?

Because you're not too big on immigration.

What trade does is free up labor to produce more important things.

The World doesn't really need toasters and DVD players, but it does need high tech equipment.

You can make toasters and DVD players or you can make high tech equipment, but you cannot do both at the same time, because you don't have the labor.
Yup. Those unintelligent folk among the factory crowd are gonna magically turn into high tech folk.

Are you drunk?
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Old Yesterday, 11:21 AM
 
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Yesterday the world was ending and the market tanked.
Then comes data...retail sales are up and walmart has good earnings.
Today the world rejoices and the market is up.
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Old Yesterday, 11:22 AM
 
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It's hurting China more, and we can out wait them as other countries ramp up production.
Sure we can. Just give those who are suffering bailouts like the farmers are getting. I don't call having to bail people out a "wait out."
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