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Old 08-14-2019, 07:10 PM
Status: "Proud American, Always and Forever" (set 15 days ago)
 
Location: DMV Area/NYC/Honolulu
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Originally Posted by tinytrump View Post
There’s no criminal law against hiring an illegal. Crime could be harboring, producing false IDs, tax evasion. -all pay up n go home penalties- facts
Yes, there is.

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1908. UNLAWFUL EMPLOYMENT OF ALIENS -- CRIMINAL PENALTIES

Title 8 U.S.C. 1324a(a)(1)(A) makes it unlawful for any person or other entity to hire, recruit, or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien, as defined in subsection 1324a(h)(3).

Subsection 1324a(2) makes it unlawful for any person or entity, after hiring an alien for employment, to continue to employ the alien in the United States knowing the alien is or has become an unauthorized alien with respect to such employment.

Subsection 1324a(f) provides that any person or entity that engages in a "pattern or practice" of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both. The legislative history indicates that "a pattern or practice" of violations is to be given a commonsense rather than overly technical meaning, and must evidence regular, repeated and intentional activities, but does not include isolated, sporadic or accidental acts. H.R.Rep. No. 99-682, Part 3, 99th Cong., 2d Sess. (1986), p. 59. See 8 C.F.R. 274a.1(k).A scheme for civil enforcement of the requirements of 1324a through injunctions and monetary penalties is set forth in 1324a(e) and 1324a(f)(2).

In addition, 18 U.S.C. 1546(b) makes it a felony offense to use a false identification document, or misuse a real one, for the purpose of satisfying the employment verification provisions in 8 U.S.C. 1324a(b).
https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-...inal-penalties

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a

 
Old 08-14-2019, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident View Post
What I said. They get a fine unless they mess with the ID/ harboring or human trafficking or even false imprisonment - like to pay back the debt - and tax fraud. Pay and walk not a criminal crime but administrative. The max of 6 mo jail time / seldom given to the owners - but maybe the hiring agent who knowingly sets up the whole plan. They are the scapegoats.
 
Old 08-14-2019, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tinytrump View Post
What I said. They get a fine unless they mess with the ID/ harboring or human trafficking or even false imprisonment - like to pay back the debt - and tax fraud. Pay and walk not a criminal crime but administrative. The max of 6 mo jail time / seldom given to the owners - but maybe the hiring agent who knowingly sets up the whole plan. They are the scapegoats.
No, its not just like you said. I don't mean to sound aggressive, but I'm tired of people spreading falsehoods on the internet.

From the link I just posted:

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Subsection 1324a(f) provides that any person or entity that engages in a "pattern or practice" of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both. The legislative history indicates that "a pattern or practice" of violations is to be given a commonsense rather than overly technical meaning, and must evidence regular, repeated and intentional activities, but does not include isolated, sporadic or accidental acts. H.R.Rep. No. 99-682, Part 3, 99th Cong., 2d Sess. (1986), p. 59. See 8 C.F.R. 274a.1(k).A scheme for civil enforcement of the requirements of 1324a through injunctions and monetary penalties is set forth in 1324a(e) and 1324a(f)(2).
Title 8 U.S.C. 1324a(a)(1)(A) makes it unlawful for any person or other entity to hire, recruit, or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien, as defined in subsection 1324a(h)(3).

Yes, it is a crime to hire illegals. Stop spreading falsities. Its all in black and white.

The Department of Justice explicitly lists these as "criminal penalties" as does the law itself. And there is no "administrative crime." There are crimes and there are civil offenses. This law explicitly makes hiring illegal immigrants a civil offense, too (that's the entire first part of the law), but it also makes such action a crime.

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Old 08-14-2019, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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It says 200 applications were filled out at the job fair, that doesn't mean for Koch, the other article was more detailed and specified, 25-30 applications were for Koch.

The last sentence I agree with, we have no idea of the numbers of people applying by other methods.

Edit: Sorry. NOT 200 applications filled out, that's how many came - no idea what the results were or if all of them were looking for jobs etc.


Well then, they'll just have to pay more and offer some worthwhile benefits.

Problem solved.
 
Old 08-15-2019, 07:47 AM
 
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After the interview I would guess not half took the job.
The employer has to offer a job to a person before the person can take the job. The employer might have chosen not to hire any of them.
 
Old 08-15-2019, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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And when these 25 people heard they were only make $9 hr after they saw what they would actually be doing only 3 or 4 took the job. You know these Mexicans were not making min wage. These companies are not going to pay anybody just starting out $10.50 to $12 a hr the Mexicans were paid like $5 to $7 a hr.
why do you keep saying 25 people. A rep. from the job fair stated 200 applications were taken that day for the 248 position in that plant.
One man interviewed who had worked in the plant previously said his job paid $12/hr.
Are you just making this up or what?
 
Old 08-15-2019, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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why do you keep saying 25 people. A rep. from the job fair stated 200 applications were taken that day for the 248 position in that plant.
One man interviewed who had worked in the plant previously said his job paid $12/hr.
Are you just making this up or what?
There is a conflict in the news stories, though the number 200 seems to be the number most used.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Just showing up for a job opening means nothing. We'll see how many are qualified (not druggies, alkies, over 50, assorted bums and losers) and how many will be able to stay at that kind of work more than a month. This is hardly the first time a raid like this has happened. The plant will either be out of production or will be hiring illegals again soon.
You don't think much of your fellow citizens do you.
I know lots of people that work/worked in the chicken processing plant in my town for years, some even retired from there. What citizens wont put up with is below minimum wage and being cheated, discriminated against and mistreated in the work place. The US has a history of fighting for fair wages and fair business practices to protect employees.
 
Old 08-15-2019, 08:39 AM
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There is a conflict in the news stories.
There's not a conflict.

One story deals with the number of people who applied by a certain time/within a certain window while the other takes into account the entire day.

And updated reporting by the Mississippi Clarion Ledger (a part of the USAToday network, which is the same company from the article in my OP) proves this.

Here's reporting from the Clarion Ledger from 12 August:

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FOREST — On Monday morning, the parking lot at the WIN Job Center in Forest was full.

In a two-hour period starting at 9 a.m., it appeared an estimated 25 to 30 people had shown up to apply for jobs at Koch Foods' nearby poultry processing plant. Of those, about an equal number were black, white or Latino.
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...ed/1976033001/

In an updated report from 14 August, which actually took into account solid numbers provided by state officials, here's what the same paper had to say:

Quote:
A state official said Wednesday that more than 200 people applied for jobs at a chicken processing plant in Morton during a job fair held Monday.

Koch Foods, one of four companies with plants in six small Mississippi towns, was targeted in a massive federal immigration raid on Aug. 7. It contacted the state employment agency the same day to request its help in hiring workers.
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...rs/2010080001/

This reporting (again, the Mississippi Clarion Ledger is a part of the USAToday network) confirms what was inferred from the earlier reporting and leaves no doubt that over 200 people applied for jobs at the chicken processing plant.

Note, now that this is cleared up, I respectfully would like to request that my OP be edited to replace the original article with the updated article showing more accurate numbers.
 
Old Yesterday, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Right up until they lose their jobs.

Ken
Wow what a thoughtful post. UE is down btw.
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