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Old 08-19-2019, 09:37 PM
 
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Yup. Or that they use their intelligence to advance unethical or immoral actions.
That is right. Consider Leander "Judge" Perez. He was the political boss of Plaquemines Parish in Louisiana. He was very corrupt, and he could get away with doing some ugly stuff. He was dealing with a population that wasn't very educated. He, however, had a law degree from Tulane University. He was a judge at one point, as his nickname suggests. He would get large men to go into the voting booths to "help" people vote. Think about what those men were doing. He also bribed voters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leander_Perez
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Old Yesterday, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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What Steve King is saying is, it is likely that everyone, if they go far enough back in their family tree, has an ancestor who was the byproduct of rape or incest. The idea is that, if that ancestor had been aborted then you wouldn't exist.



Steve King didn't actually say that humanity wouldn't exist without rape and incest, and he certainly didn't say it was necessary for human survival. He made the technically-true statement that, if everyone has an ancestor who was a byproduct of rape or incest, then if they had been aborted, none of the people alive today would exist. But that doesn't mean that humanity wouldn't exist. There would be people, just not us.
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Old Yesterday, 05:22 AM
 
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What Steve King is saying is, it is likely that everyone, if they go far enough back in their family tree, has an ancestor who was the byproduct of rape or incest. The idea is that, if that ancestor had been aborted then you wouldn't exist.



Steve King didn't actually say that humanity wouldn't exist without rape and incest, and he certainly didn't say it was necessary for human survival. He made the technically-true statement that, if everyone has an ancestor who was a byproduct of rape or incest, then if they had been aborted, none of the people alive today would exist. But that doesn't mean that humanity wouldn't exist. There would be people, just not us.
One has to wonder what the point of that observation is.
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Old Yesterday, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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One has to wonder what the point of that observation is.
True, maybe a topic for a research paper but why a congressman would bring this up in the first place escapes me.
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Old Yesterday, 07:43 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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True, maybe a topic for a research paper but why a congressman would bring this up in the first place escapes me.


Because he wants to justify outlawing abortion in even the most extreme and traumatic scenarios, that's why.
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Old Yesterday, 07:59 AM
 
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Because he wants to justify outlawing abortion in even the most extreme and traumatic scenarios, that's why.
Yes.
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Old Yesterday, 09:42 AM
 
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One has to wonder what the point of that observation is.
The point of that observation is to condone forcing women who have been raped or molested to go thru the pregnancy.
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Old Yesterday, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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One has to wonder what the point of that observation is.
It reminds me of the conversation I had with my mother about my sister and her children. I told my mother that my sister was too irresponsible to have any children at all, and that it would have been better for everyone had she been sterile.

She replied, "But then I wouldn't have my grandchildren, and I love them so much."


Steve King is making the emotional connection that there are people living today who are the product of incest and rape. It might be a friend, or a classmate, or a coworker, or even a family-member. Someone you love and would be terrified of losing, who might otherwise have been aborted. Someone's daughter, or sister, or brother, or grandchild. Or in the other direction, their father, their grandfather, or even yourself.

He is trying to make the point that life is sacred. And that if our ancestors hadn't believed that life was sacred, none of us would exist(or at least we would be someone else).


He clearly wasn't saying that humanity wouldn't exist without rape and incest. But he wants people to basically feel like abortion causes you to "lose something".

Which is similar to what my mother felt when I wished my sister had had no children. To my mother, not having her grandchildren would mean she would lose something she loved. But had she never known them, she couldn't have lost them. It would have just been a different world, a different reality.


Reminds me of this picture...

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...90/797/41a.jpg

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Old Yesterday, 06:28 PM
 
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This is not the first time Steve King has said something stupid and morally reprehensible.
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Old Yesterday, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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This is not the first time Steve King has said something stupid and morally reprehensible.
What he said was neither stupid nor morally reprehensible.
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