More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs than with Rifles (Source: FBI) (death, compared)

[ncguy50]

Originally Posted by mikeyyc

this?


Based on the data, those that want to ban guns should be looking at restricting handguns, not long rifles.


I am not saying that is my stance. Those that want to ban means people other than me that hold this belief.

OK. Fair enough. But to be fair to me, you DID use the word and there was no context to know that the view you stated wasn't the view you hold.

[mikeyyc]

Originally Posted by ncguy50

LOL. Good luck to your people, whoever they may be.

Wouldn't you?

Round 1. A gets a 20' head start, B gets a hammer.
Round 2. B gets a 20' head start, A gets a gun.

Who would you rather be?

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by mikeyyc

Yep.


I'm not entirely sure of the motive of the OP, but comparing non-firearm murders to a small portion of firearm murders is not a genuine use of the data.

It is when the type of firearm they are seeking to ban is in that category.

[mikeyyc]

Originally Posted by ncguy50

OK. Fair enough. But to be fair to me, you DID use the word and there was no context to know that the view you stated wasn't the view you hold.

Well, there is the word Those, but I can see it your way as well.

[mikeyyc]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

It is when the type of firearm they are seeking to ban is in that category.

I agree. It's stupid to ban long guns. But manipulating the data to get a null is disingenuous.

[Vector1]

Originally Posted by ncguy50

The source is FBI stats. Did you miss that? Or are you just living your truth and ignoring the facts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RjcRJ3Z70


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[ncguy50]

Originally Posted by mikeyyc

Wouldn't you?

Round 1. A gets a 20' head start, B gets a hammer.
Round 2. B gets a 20' head start, A gets a gun.

Who would you rather be?

I don't know. Maybe your house has huge hallways and a hidden escape chute and/or a panic room that perhaps your loved one can get to. And maybe she's way faster than a crazed guy with a hammer. My missus will put holes in that person until they stop moving and I'm OK with that. You have your strategy. I have mine.

[ncguy50]

Originally Posted by Vector1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RjcRJ3Z70


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Nice!

[Enigma777]

At once?

I'm not bothered by the individual heated murders between friends and family--they'll use whatever is on hand. That's their business.

I'm worried about those nutjobs who want to murder strangers. In a movie theater, mall, school, church. Public places where any innocent person can be shot for no reason. How many public mass murders are committed with hammers or clubs?

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by mikeyyc

I agree. It's stupid to ban long guns. But manipulating the data to get a null is disingenuous.

I think it's stupid to ban any type of gun especially when you are basing on mass shootings. If we were able to remove every "assault gun" from the streets and then someone kills 20 people with a shotgun what then?



These people plan these attacks for weeks, months or even years. If someone wants to kill a lot of people gun or no gun they only need the right plan and perhaps a little luck.