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Old 08-14-2019, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The Obama administration literally saved the American economy from the brink, and his election ensured that Republicans couldn't impose austerity after Bush left office, the kind is responsible for high unemployment in Europe to this day. "But, what the AIG executives." Who cares? Yes, Obama was too cozy with Wall Street, but it's easy to nitpick his mistakes 12 years on, when we're not in imminent danger of going into a depression.

I also don't fault Obama for not getting a public option, there was not enough votes in the senate. Including the public option risked no ACA at all, which would have been far worse than the post-ACA status-quo.
He saved the economic system that hedge fund managers control and subsidized their survival by supporting massive home foreclosures amongst the middle class.

He and the democratic party had the chance to really reform the economy for the first time since 1984 but instead they worked to save the old system and centralize the healthcare system around a few large insurance companies.

You don't have to hate Obama, but you should see what his main priorities were. The fact that America's economy survived was because he saved wall streets dominance and the stock market. Not because he worked to help working class Americans.

Just remember that.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:45 PM
 
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He saved the economic system that hedge fund managers control and subsidized their survival by supporting massive home foreclosures amongst the middle class.

He and the democratic party had the chance to really reform the economy for the first time since 1984 but instead they worked to save the old system and centralize the healthcare system around a few large insurance companies.

You don't have to hate Obama, but you should see what his main priorities were. The fact that America's economy survived was because he saved wall streets dominance and the stock market. Not because he worked to help working class Americans.

Just remember that.
I'll take the improvements Obama made, and I'll give him credit for them.

-Passed fiscal stimulus and infrastructure spending that prevented the US from entering a prolonged recession. The Europeans did the opposite, their austerity left working class people worse off.

-ACA: covered pre-existing conditions, slowed the growth in health care costs.

-Passed strong environmental regulations and fuel efficiency standards

-Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

The problem nowadays is that people on the far left demand ideological purity, to the extent that they throw elections to Republicans, which has caused immense damage to this country. Like all the people who wrote in Bernie or voted for Jill Stein instead of Hillary. They elected Trump and sent America back 30 years, all because they wanted to stick it to the "corporate Democrats."
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:58 PM
 
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I don't love everything about the Democratic Party, but for me, I'll vote for them before I'll vote for the party that wrecks the U.S. economy time and time again and believes our society should be ruled by the Bible and not the U.S. Constitution.

There are more than just GOP and DEMS. Look outside that and you might find something that you really like.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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I don't love everything about the Democratic Party, but for me, I'll vote for them before I'll vote for the party that wrecks the U.S. economy time and time again and believes our society should be ruled by the Bible and not the U.S. Constitution.
Delusional...
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Yeah, especially for online stores, like Amazon for starters. Meanwhile, brick and mortar stores have been closing at a greater rate than ever. Enclosed malls aren't doing any better.
I think that would have proceeded regardless of who was president.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I'll take the improvements Obama made, and I'll give him credit for them.

-Passed fiscal stimulus and infrastructure spending that prevented the US from entering a prolonged recession. The Europeans did the opposite, their austerity left working class people worse off.

-ACA: covered pre-existing conditions, slowed the growth in health care costs.

-Passed strong environmental regulations and fuel efficiency standards

-Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

The problem nowadays is that people on the far left demand ideological purity, to the extent that they throw elections to Republicans, which has caused immense damage to this country. Like all the people who wrote in Bernie or voted for Jill Stein instead of Hillary. They elected Trump and sent America back 30 years, all because they wanted to stick it to the "corporate Democrats."
You would rather they abandon their principles and vote for the corporate Democrats?

Hillary lost the election. The Democrats who didnít vote for her were unconvinced that she had their interests at heart. They voted for someone else. They didnít elect Trump. They didnít vote for him. If anything, the DNC elected Trump by nominating the only person who couldnít beat him.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:12 PM
 
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Delusional...
Seriously, right?

Why the Bible when you can have a society ruled by Putin and his favorite puppets - MoscowMitch and TrreasonousTrump?

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Old 08-14-2019, 10:12 PM
 
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there is no 'Democratic Party'...it's the 'Democrat Party'...
I thought that too, and it's the opposite.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:16 PM
 
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You would rather they abandon their principles and vote for the corporate Democrats?

Hillary lost the election. The Democrats who didnít vote for her were unconvinced that she had their interests at heart. They voted for someone else. They didnít elect Trump. They didnít vote for him. If anything, the DNC elected Trump by nominating the only person who couldnít beat him.
You will find nobody on the left today that can honestly say that a Clinton presidency would have been worse than the perpetual nightmare we are dealing with today. Yes, Clinton was basically center-right, but I can guarantee she would've been far better than Trump.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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You will find nobody on the left today that can honestly say that a Clinton presidency would have been worse than the perpetual nightmare we are dealing with today. Yes, Clinton was basically center-right, but I can guarantee she would've been far better than Trump.
What does that have to do with anything? Some Democrats didn’t like Hillary or Trump. They voted for other candidates. What gives you the right to blame them for Hillary not being the candidate they wanted? I didn’t vote for Hillary because I didn’t want to see her become President. Nor did I vote for Trump, because I didn’t want him for President. I didn’t vote for Stein or Sanders because I didn’t want them for President. In your mind, if I didn’t vote for Trump was I required to vote for his major party opponent? Does the fact that I voted for Johnson mean I helped elect Trump? Because I can assure you that electing Trump was the last thing I wanted to do.

America is a constitutional republic, not a banana republic. We aren’t required to vote for anyone, but our right to cast our vote however we want to is protected.


ETA. Hillary is center right? In what universe?
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