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Old Today, 08:39 AM
 
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Lol.

Really? The people in control with guns don't want the people they control to be armed?

Next thing you're going to tell me is that the Nazi SS didn't want Jews to have guns.

No, I'm not comparing our current police departments to Nazis; I'm saying that people in power want to ensure that power, and if it ever comes to a head, if those without power have no means to oppose those with power, the powerful can do whatever they want.
You realize that actually happened, no? Hitler and the Nazis disarmed the Jews (banned them from owning guns), then systematically executed 6+ million of them when they could no longer fight back.
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Old Today, 08:41 AM
 
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Sheesh I really dislike it when people from the UK and other European countries start talking smack. It seems they were the first ones to pounce on people from the US commenting about the NZ shootings and the resulting ban on service type rifles as being "none of our business" but have no issue sticking their royal noses in our business.


I do agree that just more people carrying a weapon isn't going to help. We need more GOOD people carrying. Good as in proficient and properly trained. Not permitees who "graduated" from some shake n bake Tactical Tim type "firearms academy."


The requirements for CCW training need to seriously improve. This I do agree on. That being said I would not just start denying people en masse the right to carry. Any decent honest citizen should be able to try and get their permit for CCW. BUT, you need to be able to cut it in a rigorous and intensive training program, and pass it. You will graduate being better than most cops. That's my take on that.


And the government need not be involved beyond processing applications and approving them. Training and proficiency certification is the purview of the class attended and the certifying instructors. It will be a gimme graduates are qualified.
Not me, if you want to talk about somebody in NZ shooting you go right ahead. Hmmm I wonder if in New Zealand they decided to arm themselves even more afterwards!
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Old Today, 08:42 AM
 
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No not at all! The can't however walk into Tesco's and buy semi-automatic weapons just before knocking off the bank!!! There is the difference right there!
How did the Philly shooter get his guns? Convicted felon. Gun control laws supposedly prohibit him from owning/possessing guns. So, rest assured, he didn't buy his guns at Walmart.
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Old Today, 08:42 AM
 
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Take away suicides, gangs, anybody blond and the difference will STILL be massive! But like I said if you do that then you are not comparing like for like anyway no?
Plus, your country is not even as big as Florida. So there's that as well.
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Old Today, 08:43 AM
 
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But that DOESN'T explain why you are 250 times more likely to get shot to death in the US does it! Perhaps YOU can tell me why that is because nobody else seems to know (and it really is a very simple answer).

Using your logic. Places like the UAE which has very lax firearms laws should be a warzone , yet it isn't. It has lax firearms laws and some one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.


Please explain that ? If guns are the problem, why aren't they in the UAE ? Or Switzerland ? I understand the Swiss have some restrictions but they are on par with some of our states here... yet the Swiss don't have the issues we do.
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Old Today, 08:43 AM
 
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You realize that actually happened, no? Hitler and the Nazis disarmed the Jews (banned them from owning guns), then systematically executed 6+ million of them when they could no longer fight back.
Nazis!!! LOL well that's VERY relevant to 21st Century US isn't it! lol, tell me is 30'000 lives worth it? You know just in case Adolf Hitler is still alive and decides to try and 'invade'?
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Old Today, 08:44 AM
 
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Using your logic. Places like the UAE which has very lax firearms laws should be a warzone , yet it isn't. It has lax firearms laws and some one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.


Please explain that ? If guns are the problem, why aren't they in the UAE ? Or Switzerland ? I understand the Swiss have some restrictions but they are on par with some of our states here... yet the Swiss don't have the issues we do.
Switzerland has FAR more restrictions lol!! And as for comparing the US to the UAE!!!! lol, perhaps you should compare it to Afghanistan too!
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Old Today, 08:45 AM
 
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Plus, your country is not even as big as Florida. So there's that as well.
Yes but my dad is bigger than your dad so there! Come on really what the hell has that got to do with it!???
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Old Today, 08:46 AM
 
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I just want to note that Pennsylvania (where Philadelphia is located) has more licensed hunters open carrying firearms the Monday after Thanksgiving than the US Army has on active duty.
PA is an Open Carry State. Did you know that? I live across the road from Tobyhanna State Game Lands. Yes, I have seen hunters during season open carrying guns. How do I know they are hunters and not just armed citizens? They are wearing orange hats or vests. That is a State Law for Hunters.

I have never seen people open carrying the rest of the year.
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Old Today, 08:47 AM
 
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Nazis!!! LOL well that's VERY relevant to 21st Century US isn't it! lol, tell me is 30'000 lives worth it? You know just in case Adolf Hitler is still alive and decides to try and 'invade'?
What happened in Germany is one of me examples of what a government is capable of doing to its citizens.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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