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Old Today, 05:59 AM
 
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The gun control 'nutters' as you so eloquently put it have countless statistics and examples to back up what they say
No, they don't. Full stop.

According to Department of Justice’s Bureau of Statistics, as gun ownership has increased, gun-related homicides have dropped. U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased 69 percent.

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Private Gun Ownership vs. Gun Homicide Rate, Over Time
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Old Today, 06:08 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This just proves, you cannot relinquish a mans god given rights, by men creating laws.
This guy should have not been walking the streets freely, in the first place.
Back in the day, he would have been hung by the neck, for his previous crimes.
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Old Today, 06:20 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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I just want to note that Pennsylvania (where Philadelphia is located) has more licensed hunters open carrying firearms the Monday after Thanksgiving than the US Army has on active duty.
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Old Today, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Australia enacted strict gun control laws and the nutters now can't get those guns.

The idea that we can't have sensible gun control laws is NRA and Russian BS.
Just follow the $$$. Here in the USA any dollar is a good dollar no matter how much blood is dripping from it, nor how much it stinks of corruption. It won't happen today or this year, but gun control is coming with a change in demographics - we will see a significant decline in the gun fetish mentality when the current crop of old white men that espouse it are displaced by a fresh generation.
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Old Today, 06:29 AM
 
Location: USA
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I just want to note that Pennsylvania (where Philadelphia is located) has more licensed hunters open carrying firearms the Monday after Thanksgiving than the US Army has on active duty.
Yes, PA does have a large hunting tradition, but that is waning as younger people aren't nearly as interested as their fathers and grandfathers were. Also, the state is now solidly BLUE, although it did go for Trump by a very narrow margin last election. The state is getting a lot of population from other northeastern states like NY and NJ who bring their Progressive, anti gun beliefs with them.

PA does NOT have lax gun laws. Guns are highly regulated on the Fed, and State level.
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Old Today, 06:29 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Like the fact that most violent crime committed by people using a gun is inner city Black crime just like this one. So you want to just disarm only the law abiding, because career criminal, multiple felons like these DON'T FOLLOW more gun laws. How can you be so dense?

If you believe that criminals will follow yet another gun law added to the 22,000 already in the books you are a "nutter" as you say.
What difference does that make! You don't think the other 1st world countries don't have inner city crime!? (and you have the cheek to call me dense!). The level of gun crime is so massively, hugely out of sync in the US you simply can't argue about it - its so simple and so obvious that people have to be excessively 'dense' not to see it, in fact the whole 1st world 'see's' it apart from one place. Tighter gun laws = a MASSIVE reduction in people being shot to death, EVERY stat backs this up, EVERY one! We have gangs here, we have crime here, we have hatred, road rage, mentally unhinged people, we have the same humanity as you but we also have TWO HUNDRED AND FITY percent less deaths by gun. Probably THE biggest stat there is - we are talking peoples lives here! And I am supposed to be the dense one!
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Old Today, 06:31 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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No, they don't. Full stop.

According to Department of Justice’s Bureau of Statistics, as gun ownership has increased, gun-related homicides have dropped. U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased 69 percent.

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Private Gun Ownership vs. Gun Homicide Rate, Over Time

Its gonna have to drop an AWFUL lot more than that to come into line with 1st world nations! A LOT LOT more! THATS the one statistic that counts.
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Old Today, 06:32 AM
 
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What difference does that make! You don't think the other 1st world countries don't have inner city crime!? (and you have the cheek to call me dense!). The level of gun crime is so massively, hugely out of sync in the US you simply can't argue about it - its so simple and so obvious that people have to be excessively 'dense' not to see it, in fact the whole 1st world 'see's' it apart from one place. Tighter gun laws = a MASSIVE reduction in people being shot to death, EVERY stat backs this up, EVERY one! We have gangs here, we have crime here, we have hatred, road rage, mentally unhinged people, we have the same humanity as you but we also have TWO HUNDRED AND FITY percent less deaths by gun. Probably THE biggest stat there is - we are talking peoples lives here! And I am supposed to be the dense one!
Explain Chicago: Extremely strict gun laws = very high shootings and gun homicide rates. And nearly all gang-related, committed by felons who aren't legally allowed to have guns. So much for gun control laws.
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Old Today, 06:34 AM
 
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Its gonna have to drop an AWFUL lot more than that to come into line with 1st world nations! A LOT LOT more! THATS the one statistic that counts.
Then go with the trend. The more privately-owned guns by Americans, the more the rates of gun homicide and nonfatal crimes committed with guns decrease.
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Old Today, 06:35 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Explain Chicago: Extremely strict gun laws = very high shootings and gun homicide rates. And nearly all gang-related, committed by felons who aren't legally allowed to have guns. So much for gun control laws.



Laws....
In the land of the FREE, it ain't illegal until you get caught.


Sure, make more feel good laws, that turn good people into criminals. How has that been working for ya?
Described by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic)
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