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Old Today, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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What difference does that make! You don't think the other 1st world countries don't have inner city crime!? (and you have the cheek to call me dense!). The level of gun crime is so massively, hugely out of sync in the US you simply can't argue about it - its so simple and so obvious that people have to be excessively 'dense' not to see it, in fact the whole 1st world 'see's' it apart from one place. Tighter gun laws = a MASSIVE reduction in people being shot to death, EVERY stat backs this up, EVERY one! We have gangs here, we have crime here, we have hatred, road rage, mentally unhinged people, we have the same humanity as you but we also have TWO HUNDRED AND FITY percent less deaths by gun. Probably THE biggest stat there is - we are talking peoples lives here! And I am supposed to be the dense one!
Wow. Take a deep breath.

You have to understand that you are trying to convince people here that have zero interest in facts, and only have a marginal connection to reality in many cases. We use the term "cult" to describe this thinking and it is not an exaggeration for many. And for others, what it comes down to is simple selfish interest; their desire to collect/worship guns and weapons of mass lethality is more important to them than the lives of those that are lost. Their thinking is that it will "happen to someone else" and statistically that is true.
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Old Today, 06:39 AM
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What are our gun crime statistics when you leave black on black inner city crime out of the equation? Probably equatable to the rest of the first world.
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Old Today, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Interesting that the strongest proponents of common sense gun control are police forces and the leadership in our large cities. Law enforcement is getting tired of it.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...officers-shot/

Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney:

ďThis government, both on federal and state level, donít want to do anything about getting these guns off the streets and getting them out of the hands of criminals. This guy is clearly a criminal, he was a criminal ó he had, apparently a long record which Iím not sure, I donít have it in front of me ó but has been involved in the criminal justice system before. And he was able to get these weapons and a large magazine, a large amount of bullets.

ďSo whether itís our six officers who were shot or itís some 15, 17, 20-year-old kid on the streets of Philadelphia who gets shot with guns that shouldnít be in peopleís hands, itís aggravating, itís saddening and itís just something we need to do something about. And if the state and federal government donít want to stand up to the NRA and some other folks, then let us police ourselves. But they preempt us on all kinds of gun control legislation.

ďOur officers deserve to be protected and they donít deserve to be shot at by a guy for hours with an unlimited supply of weapons and an unlimited supply of bullets. So itís disgusting and we have to do something about itĒ
Hmmm....so, this career criminal that wasn't supposed to have any sort of firearm ignored the laws that would have prevented him from obtaining these weapons if he were the sort of person that obeyed the ****ing law.

So, more laws?
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Old Today, 06:43 AM
 
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These gun-grabber leftists can't or won't recognize a narrative failure even when it's right in front of their faces. I'm going with "can't". And they spout the same old arguments for confiscation couched under the banner of "sensible gun laws". Pathetic.
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Old Today, 06:46 AM
 
Location: USA
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These gun-grabber leftists can't or won't recognize a narrative failure even when it's right in front of their faces. I'm going with "can't". And they spout the same old arguments for confiscation couched under the banner of "sensible gun laws". Pathetic.
It is knowing deflection from the real problem they won't address. Career FELONS with multiple weapons and other Felonies out on the street in large numbers. They do little jail time, then are back out on the street to commit more violent crime. The Mayor, and DA know that, but can't say it as it would "disenfranchise" a lot of their voting base.

Hence, they lie, deflect, and blame guns. Yet they know these criminals don't follow gun laws. This Perp already did Federal time for possessing guns illegally. Why would he care about more gun laws. Only the law abiding are affected.
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Old Today, 06:48 AM
 
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Hmmm....so, this career criminal that wasn't supposed to have any sort of firearm ignored the laws that would have prevented him from obtaining these weapons if he were the sort of person that obeyed the ****ing law.

So, more laws?
They emote. They don't think critically. The extreme flaws in their logic is immediately obvious, and everyone else can clearly see it.
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Old Today, 06:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What are our gun crime statistics when you leave black on black inner city crime out of the equation? Probably equatable to the rest of the first world.
.... and suicides
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Old Today, 06:49 AM
 
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It is knowing deflection from the real problem they won't address. Career FELONS with multiple weapons and other Felonies out on the street in large numbers. They do little jail time, then are back out on the street to commit more violent crime. The Mayor, and DA know that, but can't say it as it would "disenfranchise" a lot of their voting base.

Hence, they lie, deflect, and blame guns. Yet they know these criminals don't follow gun laws. This Perp already did Federal time for possessing guns illegally. Why would he care about more gun laws. Only the law abiding are affected.
Yessir!

Which is why my gun rights are NON-F--KING-NEGOTIABLE.
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Old Today, 06:54 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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These gun-grabber leftists can't or won't recognize a narrative failure even when it's right in front of their faces. I'm going with "can't". And they spout the same old arguments for confiscation couched under the banner of "sensible gun laws". Pathetic.
All throughout history, ONLY THE TYRANTS wanted the peoples weapons. Like they had something to fear.
Life, liberty & property - " Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.


Give up your arms and the ability to fight all forms of oppression, and your life, liberty & property will eventually be in jeopardy to those that have arms. People must want to know how it feels to be Property.
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Old Today, 06:59 AM
 
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All throughout history, ONLY THE TYRANTS wanted the peoples weapons. Like they had something to fear.
Life, liberty & property - " Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.


Give up your arms and the ability to fight all forms of oppression, and your life, liberty & property will eventually be in jeopardy to those that have arms. People must want to know how it feels to be Property.
Agreed. I would even change the word "eventually" to "immediately".
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