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Old Today, 07:30 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Just follow the $$$. Here in the USA any dollar is a good dollar no matter how much blood is dripping from it, nor how much it stinks of corruption. It won't happen today or this year, but gun control is coming with a change in demographics - we will see a significant decline in the gun fetish mentality when the current crop of old white men that espouse it are displaced by a fresh generation.
Until you fools figure out the second amendment isn't going anywhere until you try and remove it the next gen of new brown, black, red and white Americans will enjoy it too. Your idea of gun control = symbolism. Beyond that SCOTUS will overturn any nonsense your team can come up with.
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Old Today, 07:31 AM
Status: "Proud American, Always and Forever" (set 10 days ago)
 
Location: DMV Area/NYC/Honolulu
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Interesting that the strongest proponents of common sense gun control are police forces and the leadership in our large cities. Law enforcement is getting tired of it.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...officers-shot/

Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney:

ďThis government, both on federal and state level, donít want to do anything about getting these guns off the streets and getting them out of the hands of criminals. This guy is clearly a criminal, he was a criminal ó he had, apparently a long record which Iím not sure, I donít have it in front of me ó but has been involved in the criminal justice system before. And he was able to get these weapons and a large magazine, a large amount of bullets.

ďSo whether itís our six officers who were shot or itís some 15, 17, 20-year-old kid on the streets of Philadelphia who gets shot with guns that shouldnít be in peopleís hands, itís aggravating, itís saddening and itís just something we need to do something about. And if the state and federal government donít want to stand up to the NRA and some other folks, then let us police ourselves. But they preempt us on all kinds of gun control legislation.

ďOur officers deserve to be protected and they donít deserve to be shot at by a guy for hours with an unlimited supply of weapons and an unlimited supply of bullets. So itís disgusting and we have to do something about itĒ
Actually, that's not "interesting." These are big city Democrat politicians and police departments/chiefs that work at the pleasure of these big city Democrat politicians.

Independent, elected sheriffs tend to be opposed to many of these gun control measures.
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Old Today, 07:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Actually, that's not "interesting." These are big city Democrat politicians and police departments/chiefs that work at the pleasure of these big city Democrat politicians.

Independent, elected sheriffs tend to be opposed to many of these gun control measures.
They are because they are the ones tasked with enforcing them. One almost has to be an attorney just to sort out the existing laws. Especially in States like CA and NY.
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Old Today, 07:34 AM
 
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Who's saying that?

How do deeper background checks and restrictions on the types of guns and ammunition available to the general public translate into "disarm[ing] only the law abiding"?

You can still have your precious guns. You just might have to wait a little longer to get them. And you can't have the kind that are capable of shooting dozens of people in 30 seconds.

Not sure what you are following but the House is only 20 votes shy of a proposal that could ban all semi auto firearms... that makes up over 90% of the firearms out there. Sorry , I've done nothing wrong, why should I give up my firearms ? Hopefully it dies in the Senate.




banning semi-automatic firearms and large-capacity magazines. With 198 co-sponsors, the bill is just 20 votes shy of the number needed to push it through the lower chamber.


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...am-in-congress
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Old Today, 07:36 AM
 
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Australia enacted strict gun control laws and the nutters now can't get those guns.

The idea that we can't have sensible gun control laws is NRA and Russian BS.


Wow, the point of this thread flew so far over your head....congrats....
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Old Today, 07:39 AM
 
Location: USA
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Not sure what you are following but the House is only 20 votes shy of a proposal that could ban all semi auto firearms... that makes up over 90% of the firearms out there. Sorry , I've done nothing wrong, why should I give up my firearms ? Hopefully it dies in the Senate.


banning semi-automatic firearms and large-capacity magazines. With 198 co-sponsors, the bill is just 20 votes shy of the number needed to push it through the lower chamber.


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...am-in-congress
All the Democrat candidates are for banning and confiscating all semi-auto firearms. The most popular and largest in number in the U.S. There are tens of millions, perhaps more in circulation mostly owned by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS who will become instant Felons overnight if they don't turn them in for the mandatory "buy back". I doubt they will get more than a few percent compliance, but Kirsten Gillibrand just announced she would prosecute all who didn't comply with these bans. So, that would entail door to door searches, seizures and arrests.
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Old Today, 07:40 AM
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They are because they are the ones tasked with enforcing them. One almost has to be an attorney just to sort out the existing laws. Especially in States like CA and NY.
Big city Dem politicians and the police brass who work for them play politics with gun enforcement. They would effective ban firearms in most cases if given the chance (just look to NYC and DC/Chicago before the courts got involved in the latter case), despite the evidence that law abiding citizens aren't the cause for gun crime in the overwhelming majority of cases and despite the fact that violent crime in this country has continued to decline drastically over the last several decades that its become easier to own a firearm in this country.

Elected sheriffs are also charged with enforcing the law in their jurisdiction. But they tend to be more reasonable on gun rights.
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Old Today, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Yet, nothing about the perpetrator being a multiple felon that previously and currently broke every gun law imaginable, and other laws against violent crime. Why was he on the street? Why punish only the law abiding gun owner for the violent crime committed by this CAREER MULTIPLE FELON???

Why did the justice system fail Mr. Mayor? Why do you let these criminals back out on the street so soon to commit more crime and shoot at cops, and others. Why are you putting innocent citizens and cops at more risk?

Why don't you want law abiding citizens to be able to EFFECTIVELY DEFEND THEMSELVES from the violent criminals YOU ENABLE?
Here is the problem, Pilot. How do you tell the difference between a law abiding citizen, and one, who up until he does something bad is also not on the radar ? I could be a church going, solid citizen one day, and flip out the next and climb a tower and start taking out innocent people. There is no neon sign on anyone's forehead that says " I am not a law abiding citizen, and I am going to start killing people real soon !"

The point you are missing is, NO ONE, not even law abiding citizens NEED certain weapons. No one wants to take away sensible weaponry from American Citizens, but we need to get assault type weapons and multiple round magazines away from anyone who is not in LE or the military. You, or I, do not need a machine gun to protect ourselves.........if you do, you need to hone your shooting skills a little.


If you want to play Rambo, go buy a video game.
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Old Today, 07:45 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Explain Chicago: Extremely strict gun laws = very high shootings and gun homicide rates. And nearly all gang-related, committed by felons who aren't legally allowed to have guns. So much for gun control laws.
Because Chicago is in the US and the US doesn't have gun laws like the rest of the 1st world, its not rocket science!
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Old Today, 07:47 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Then go with the trend. The more privately-owned guns by Americans, the more the rates of gun homicide and nonfatal crimes committed with guns decrease.
But the US has 200+ times the amount of death by guns than other 1st world countries so it doesn't work does it!? Its TWO HUNDRED+ times the amount, its not even close, its not even close to being close!
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