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Old 08-15-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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Do you know how one obtains a machine gun? Do you know how much a tax is? Do you know all the steps that are required? Do you know how expensive it is to get a machine gun? Yes it is legal to own a machine gun. However when you add up the cost very few people other than the rich can own one.
Yes it's very expensive. And legal. Of one can jump through the hoops.
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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It doesn't say we can't regulate them. Tell me why you need a semi automatic with large mags for deer hunting and home defense
The Constitution specifically envisioned that our military would be composed of a militia of all able-bodied men. Those able bodied men were responsible to arm themselves. So take whatever firearm you typically find in any given war zone and that's what they had in mind. In their days, that would have been a muzzle-loading rifle, a cannon or two if you could afford them, etc. Hell, a warship if you happen to have one. In today's world, that absolutely would extend to fully-automatic rifles, tanks, fighter aircraft, warships, etc. That was part of what the 2nd Amendment was all about. The other piece of that: If our nation's only military was composed of a militia of everyone, it would ensure that tyrannical rule would be impossible. If the average citizen was just as well armed as anyone on the planet, then no governmental leader could ever hope to rule by military force alone.

They would have to square with the fact that some things just cost too much for the private citizens to own. Still, right up until the start of World War 2, our peacetime standing military was absolutely tiny and that was entirely on purpose. It was always envisioned that the citizens were the military, at least at some level.

The Supreme and Federal Courts have gone a long ways in stretching the original meaning of the Constitution. We now have a professional regular army, an idea which the founding fathers found distasteful. Limits on the right to bear arms have slowly crept in over time as a result. All of the arguments against the 2nd Amendment absolutely fail to comprehend the original intent.

If we get to a point where the need to ban guns is overwhelmingly obvious, then we'll Amend the Constitution. Until that happens, every attempt to strip the Constitutional rights from citizen's right to bear arms will be easy fodder for the SCOTUS -- which at least marginally defends the 2nd Amendment.
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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Yes it's very expensive. And legal. Of one can jump through the hoops.
Yes.

And, it should be legal and it should be more easily attainable for a responsible citizen of sound mind and judgement.

No reason I shouldn't be able to own an actual M-4 or mp5
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:06 PM
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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/45...-fox-news-poll

Looking forward to all the MAGA righties telling us how socialist /communist /leftist faux news has become lol
Good for them, Fortunately for me and unfortunately for the dolts my constitutional rights aren't up for a discussion. Doesn't matter anyways I lost all my weapons in a boating accident recently.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:18 PM
 
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Yep. I just walked into Wally World and bought 2 full-autos. Wooohoooo!!!
See me. I have a nice selection of machine guns.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Out West
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Feel free to watch. This is what libs need to understand:

https://www.facebook.com/ted.gaetjen...4036114946819/
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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2/3 of people don't know there is no such thing as an assault weapon or a ban on them. There was already one for 10 years and it didn't ban anything. Neither will another one.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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All gun laws are infringements.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:35 AM
 
Location: NJ
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assault weapon is an intentionally nebulous word intend to disguise the desire to ban all semi automatic weapons.


any politician or media that uses the word 'assault weapons, is feeding into the anti gun hysteria.


people who take those polls are thinking of browning 50 cal machine guns, not a Remington semi auto .308 hunting rifle.


The term assault weapon is a baited trap.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:38 AM
 
Location: USA
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assault weapon is an intentionally nebulous word intend to disguise the desire to ban all semi automatic weapons.

any politician or media that uses the word 'assault weapons, is feeding into the anti gun hysteria.

people who take those polls are thinking of browning 50 cal machine guns, not a Remington semi auto .308 hunting rifle.

The term assault weapon is a baited trap.
^^^^^This. Assault Weapons are select fire and capable of fully automatic. This is NOT what they want to ban, as they are already very limited. They want all SEMI AUTO firearms.

Also, the MEDIA and Democrats for the past several years has embraced the term GUN VIOLENCE. This is pure B.S. It is PEOPLE violence where a gun is used as the tool. They switched from focusing on the criminal doing the illegal act, and now focus on the TOOL. Total garbage.
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