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Old Today, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Southern West Virginia
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There really isn't that issue since there isn't that coal....any longer, and automation and strip mining would cut the jobs down vastly even if we started taking out the more difficult coal.

It's hard to imagine 10 jobs being supported on one 60K salary (average)...can't see how the economics work out. All the tracks were laid long ago and the rolling stock exists....probably an over-supply.

This is a separate issue but the point stands - that "the coal economy" isn't even a speck when compared against other and newer industries.

A difference discussion could be had on the solutions.....but I'd say

1. Make lands into state and national parks with an eye toward cleaning up our messes for the far future.
2. Invest in the people - if that means paying for them to train, move (even in-state), universal health care, better food sources, etc.....education.

This is my point about planning. In the US we just fight every and any regulation...someone always makes money off misery or the status quo. In Denmark they work together to plan what is best. This is how they became the first in big Wind Farms, in District Heating (where the entire towns are heated by one clean plant) and in many other things. This cannot happen when it is every person and corporation for themselves.

Here is another difference. Talk to most Danes and you will find that they spent years overseas. You simply cannot get a decent job in Denmark without worldwide experience....and I'm not talking next door in Germany. They are all over the world....

That's a MAJOR difference.
The miner’s salary has no effect on the jobs created from the industry. The miners makes far less money than the company.

Denmark is a coastal country. WV has no coastline. Like someone else said, a better comparison would be Hungary.
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Old Today, 02:10 PM
 
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So you start with insulting me. Do you think that I'm going to give much heed to what you have to say after that? Calling someone too stupid to get it, isn't a hallmark of argument based on logic or fact.

You have a hypocritical double standard here. You cherrypick to disparate places to make a fallacious comparison to make a political point. i.e. People in a Republican state are Deplorable. But then when called out to do the same with a Democrat city, you can only insult me for pointing it out.

Your topic fails.
Except you probably didn't read my post about both states - especially the coal mining areas - being Democratic.

So your attempt to frame it as partisan fails. It has nothing to do with that except

1. Some people do vote against their own interests...
2. At the Federal level Republicans are more about resource extraction, deregulation and such than they are about bold programs to help a rising tide lift all boats.

You can simply say "hey, I'm not into helping others" and leave it at that.
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Old Today, 02:13 PM
 
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Except you probably didn't read my post about both states - especially the coal mining areas - being Democratic..
Except that they aren't in the context that we are talking about.
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....Republicans ....
In the next breath. It really has to be seen to be believed.
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Old Today, 02:15 PM
 
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The miner’s salary has no effect on the jobs created from the industry. The miners makes far less money than the company.

Denmark is a coastal country. WV has no coastline. Like someone else said, a better comparison would be Hungary.
As mentioned, that's more historic than current. My study of history tells me that it is due to our allowance or exploration of the people and resources by forces outside the states...that caused much of the problem(s).

Japan may be an Island, but they have almost zero in resources. But they decided to make the best of what they have....and therefore realized their strengths and made the most of them.

What is our excuse? We don't even try...IMHO.

Utah isn't doing bad....because the people who settled there have planned over the years - created educational institutions, worked hard and avoided substance abuse, drew in tourism, planned and implemented high tech and good airports...and more.....

It's possible...but, again, my point isn't why things are so bad.....it's more looking in the mirror and at other models to figure out how we can improve all our lives. Modeling....is, IMHO, one of the best ways to improve without having to learn the same lessons over and over again.
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Old Today, 02:17 PM
 
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The OP has made it clear. This topic is nothing more than one to bash Republicans. Absolutely against making the same comparison to a Democrat controlled City. A city where untold 10s of billions are poured into every year.



Why do those people keep voting against their interests, if that is your point?
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Old Today, 02:20 PM
 
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The OP has made it clear. This topic is nothing more than one to bash Republicans. Absolutely against making the same comparison to a Democrat controlled City. A city where untold 10s of billions are poured into every year.


Why do those people keep voting against their interests, if that is your point?
I've given it above.....probably multiple times.

We can do better. Make American better....by investing in our people and lands.

As to why people vote against their interests, often it is due to propaganda and fear mongering. But that's a subject in itself. You would probably say I vote against my own interests since I vote for more taxes...for ME...because I like to pay the bills.

But that's not the kind of voting I am talking about.
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Old Today, 02:25 PM
 
Location: NJ
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[quote=craigiri;55946064]In the spirit of the many threads "South Dakota vs. LA" that many post here....

I use these places because the total population is similar - that is, in the 6-7 Million range.
Both are, of course, 90% or so "European" in population.

The GDP per Capita in Denmark is 58K - 38K in these two states. Put another way, Denmark has a GDP 50% higher.

19.7 percent of the Danish population are obese
35% in KY/WV

80 year life expectancy in Denmark (universal health care)
73 year life expectancy in KY/WV (let em die health care)

Denmark is stark, small and have relatively little in resources
KY/WV was blessed with massive amounts of resources and land area

Murder rate in Denmark - 0.8 per 100,000 population
In KY/WV - 5.3 per 100K

Property Crime - KY - 2500 per 100,000
Denmark - about 1/3rd of that or less

Other economic might:

Pages could be filled with companies from Denmark that are world famous and thriving - they build ships, make heating equipment, are the largest producer of wind machines in the world (Ventas), Novo Nordisk, etc.

Kentucky is famous for Bourbon. Papa Johns and Texas Roadhouse have HQ there.
The largest "make stuff" employer in KY is......Toyota!

And so, my question to the many here who seem to be experts in comparison is...why these vast differences?

If "European Supremacy" with almost unlimited resources and the framework of our Constitution....and our "low tax" ways...can't create amazing results, what is wrong with our system - if anything?

I won't even get into the innovation....the number of patents and inventions and discoveries in modern Denmark is nothing short of astounding.....

Why?[/quote




Suicide rate in Denmark is 20.8 100k
KY rate is 12.8 100k


US rate is 13.8 100k


Why is that and what role does that play in the comparison. People can't stand to live in Denmark for some reason


Emmigration has increased, American citizens leaving Denmark is a large factor. Overall emigration out of Denmark has increased. Denmark want to put all migrants on an offshore island. about 21 k people left Denmark in 2018.


Denmark parliament just passed this law.....The law empowers Danish authorities to seize any assets exceeding $1,450 from asylum-seekers in order to help pay for the migrants’ subsistence in the country (items of “sentimental value,” such as wedding rings, are exempt). It also extends, from one year to three, the period that those who are resettled must wait to apply for family members to join them in Denmark.


2018 Denmark re migrants form the ME, Africa
[SIZE=3]“They are unwanted in Denmark, and they will feel that,” the country’s immigration minister, Inger Stojberg, said about a government plan to house unwelcome foreigners on a remote island.[/SIZE]
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Old Today, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The OP has made it clear. This topic is nothing more than one to bash Republicans. Absolutely against making the same comparison to a Democrat controlled City. A city where untold 10s of billions are poured into every year.
The OP didn't say a thing about Baltimore, or any city at all. You changed the topic to suit your fancy and bash liberals. But as I said, it failed because your own counter-example - Copenhagen - is an extremely liberal city which supports our point.
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In the spirit of the many threads "South Dakota vs. LA" that many post here....

I use these places because the total population is similar - that is, in the 6-7 Million range.
Both are, of course, 90% or so "European" in population.

The GDP per Capita in Denmark is 58K - 38K in these two states. Put another way, Denmark has a GDP 50% higher.

19.7 percent of the Danish population are obese
35% in KY/WV

80 year life expectancy in Denmark (universal health care)
73 year life expectancy in KY/WV (let em die health care)

Denmark is stark, small and have relatively little in resources
KY/WV was blessed with massive amounts of resources and land area

Murder rate in Denmark - 0.8 per 100,000 population
In KY/WV - 5.3 per 100K

Property Crime - KY - 2500 per 100,000
Denmark - about 1/3rd of that or less

Other economic might:

Pages could be filled with companies from Denmark that are world famous and thriving - they build ships, make heating equipment, are the largest producer of wind machines in the world (Ventas), Novo Nordisk, etc.

Kentucky is famous for Bourbon. Papa Johns and Texas Roadhouse have HQ there.
The largest "make stuff" employer in KY is......Toyota!

And so, my question to the many here who seem to be experts in comparison is...why these vast differences?

If "European Supremacy" with almost unlimited resources and the framework of our Constitution....and our "low tax" ways...can't create amazing results, what is wrong with our system - if anything?

I won't even get into the innovation....the number of patents and inventions and discoveries in modern Denmark is nothing short of astounding.....

Why?
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Old Today, 02:30 PM
 
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I've given it above.....probably multiple times.

We can do better. Make American better....by investing in our people and lands.

As to why people vote against their interests, often it is due to propaganda and fear mongering. But that's a subject in itself. You would probably say I vote against my own interests since I vote for more taxes...for ME...because I like to pay the bills.

But that's not the kind of voting I am talking about.
OK I appreciate the response. I agree with this point entirely.
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Old Today, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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BTW the mayor of Copenhagen since 2010 is a Social Democrat, which by American standards would be considered socialist. Bernie Sanders territory.

I've yet to hear why that has not turned Copenhagen into Baltimore.
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